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TwilightOdyssey
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What's the Peavey Envoy?
What's the Peavey Envoy?
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TwilightOdyssey said:
thay are combos.y2stevo said:
TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
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Cascading preamps is not a good idea.
Cascading preamps is not a good idea.
54stratlover
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I would try a boss into the GA-30. a used $30 dollar boss into an old tube amp can go a long way.
I would try a boss into the GA-30. a used $30 dollar boss into an old tube amp can go a long way.
Gearjoneser
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I'm not sure you can do that, since the Envoy would need a preamp out or FX send, and the GA-30 would need an FX loop return. Any other way of connecting them could result in a broken amp. I'd use an OD and a pedal that has stereo outs to split the signal to both at the same time.
I'm not sure you can do that, since the Envoy would need a preamp out or FX send, and the GA-30 would need an FX loop return. Any other way of connecting them could result in a broken amp. I'd use an OD and a pedal that has stereo outs to split the signal to both at the same time.
some_dude
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I've done something similar with different amps. I ran the effects out of the first amp into the input of the second amp. I found the gain was really unusable, even with both amps set to clean, and since you're amp doesn't come with one of those handy stomp buttons, there's no easy way to bypass it durring a song (unless you happen to have a loop selector lying around).
I've done something similar with different amps. I ran the effects out of the first amp into the input of the second amp. I found the gain was really unusable, even with both amps set to clean, and since you're amp doesn't come with one of those handy stomp buttons, there's no easy way to bypass it durring a song (unless you happen to have a loop selector lying around).
beandip
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Damn, thanks guys. the Envoy has an FX out, but the gibson is just 3 instruments in and a mic in. Two volumes and a tone that dosnt work. I reckon I'll have to get a pedal (I hate 'em by the way, I think they mess w/ your tone) Maybe I should just save up and get a SD Booster? Will that make my amp clip sooner?
Damn, thanks guys. the Envoy has an FX out, but the gibson is just 3 instruments in and a mic in. Two volumes and a tone that dosnt work. I reckon I'll have to get a pedal (I hate 'em by the way, I think they mess w/ your tone) Maybe I should just save up and get a SD Booster? Will that make my amp clip sooner?
some_dude
Raging BB Gunologist
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They're supposed to mess with you're tone. That's why we buy them :wink:
How long is your guitar cable, and how long will the cable to the amp be?
The SD booster is true bypass, so the longer those two cables are, the more unbuffered cable you'll have hanging off you're pickups when the effect is bypassed. IE, if you run a 20' cable to the Booster, and a 20' cable to the amp, you'll have over 40' of unbuffered cable, and I assume you know what running a 40' cable will do to you're tone.
If you can keep your total cable length under 20', you don't need a buffer, but once you start going over 20-25' you can start to hear the difference in tone loss.
Honestly, if you're looking for a good, reasonably priced overdrive, it's hard to go wrong with one of the Boss units. They have a good seclection of various sounds, and they're FET buffered, which will keep a long cable run from killing your tone.
Everything affects your tone, it's just a matter of choosing the gear that does it in a good way (or atleast minimizes the bad).
I have a few true bypass dirt boxes, so I always leave a Boss GE-7 in my chain. Even if I never turn it on, it buffers my signal and really helps it to sound it's best.
beandip said:
They're supposed to mess with you're tone. That's why we buy them :wink:
How long is your guitar cable, and how long will the cable to the amp be?
The SD booster is true bypass, so the longer those two cables are, the more unbuffered cable you'll have hanging off you're pickups when the effect is bypassed. IE, if you run a 20' cable to the Booster, and a 20' cable to the amp, you'll have over 40' of unbuffered cable, and I assume you know what running a 40' cable will do to you're tone.
If you can keep your total cable length under 20', you don't need a buffer, but once you start going over 20-25' you can start to hear the difference in tone loss.
Honestly, if you're looking for a good, reasonably priced overdrive, it's hard to go wrong with one of the Boss units. They have a good seclection of various sounds, and they're FET buffered, which will keep a long cable run from killing your tone.
Everything affects your tone, it's just a matter of choosing the gear that does it in a good way (or atleast minimizes the bad).
I have a few true bypass dirt boxes, so I always leave a Boss GE-7 in my chain. Even if I never turn it on, it buffers my signal and really helps it to sound it's best.
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As an side to this, running a 8 foot cable to the booster and then the remaining 32 feet after the cable isn't a bad idea (just using screamindaisy's example), as the lower impedance and greater output of the booster helps to reduce the cable's RCL effect on the signal. But that's only when it's on, screamingdaisy has another valid point,true bypass isn't the only game in town, the BOSS pedals are legendary for buffering your signal well. There is much to be said for such. A BOSS SD-1 or OD-3 will go a long way towards what you want.
In order for you to use the envoy in the manner that you want, you'd have to make sure that the level coming out of the FX send ( I don't remember them having an FX loop ... oh well, later models and what not), is still with what the amp's input want's to see. As a general rule of thumb, if the loop is made to run pedals (instrument level) then chances are that it will not feed the input of an amp too high a signal level (although I would use the amp's lo input), and the FX return could take a dummy plug (1/4" phone plug with tip and sleeve connections soldered together) will effectively mute the Envoy. Whether the reverb will most likely not be included, as that processing is most often done further down the signal path (really depends on how the amp is engineered, and designed though), the envoy I thought had a footswitch jack for channel switching, so the clean dirty thing should be a problem, but again whether the master volume control is, and how the gain structure laid out has a lot to do with it, if you can match the same volume clean or dirty as you can without the amp injected into the GA-30 then you should be okay (can't swear to it, but you should be).
screamingdaisy said:
As an side to this, running a 8 foot cable to the booster and then the remaining 32 feet after the cable isn't a bad idea (just using screamindaisy's example), as the lower impedance and greater output of the booster helps to reduce the cable's RCL effect on the signal. But that's only when it's on, screamingdaisy has another valid point,true bypass isn't the only game in town, the BOSS pedals are legendary for buffering your signal well. There is much to be said for such. A BOSS SD-1 or OD-3 will go a long way towards what you want.
In order for you to use the envoy in the manner that you want, you'd have to make sure that the level coming out of the FX send ( I don't remember them having an FX loop ... oh well, later models and what not), is still with what the amp's input want's to see. As a general rule of thumb, if the loop is made to run pedals (instrument level) then chances are that it will not feed the input of an amp too high a signal level (although I would use the amp's lo input), and the FX return could take a dummy plug (1/4" phone plug with tip and sleeve connections soldered together) will effectively mute the Envoy. Whether the reverb will most likely not be included, as that processing is most often done further down the signal path (really depends on how the amp is engineered, and designed though), the envoy I thought had a footswitch jack for channel switching, so the clean dirty thing should be a problem, but again whether the master volume control is, and how the gain structure laid out has a lot to do with it, if you can match the same volume clean or dirty as you can without the amp injected into the GA-30 then you should be okay (can't swear to it, but you should be).
TwilightOdyssey
Darkness on the edge of Tone
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Very interesting info, Kent!!
Very interesting info, Kent!!
flank
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Re: amp guys
id get a BArber direct Drive......sounds like its right up your alley.........and ive played one, it was very sweet, made the amp run harder and added some grit of its own, but its designed to blend into the amps sound, not totally change it around.....and for $99, i dont think it can be beat......it was so sweet, and some good versatility too
id get a BArber direct Drive......sounds like its right up your alley.........and ive played one, it was very sweet, made the amp run harder and added some grit of its own, but its designed to blend into the amps sound, not totally change it around.....and for $99, i dont think it can be beat......it was so sweet, and some good versatility too
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i forgot about the BD-2, the BD-2 is NOT a bad sounding pedal, and it can be pushed into hard rock territory is desired, very open sounding on low gain settings, where has the SD-1 doesn't produce those upper harmonics like the BD-2 does, the SD-1 seems a bit more midrangey also.beandip said:
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