Another easily impressed Gen Z guitarist...

I don't feel the need of such a complicated stuff, I'm an simple player a bit tired of sonic experiments, I'm too old for that, but I don't blame the fact a guitar sounds more like a keyboard than a stringed instruments, the guitar is just a tool, if the Evertune helps those who want to experiment and create, good for them, it's possible they have time and patience to get through the problems if they happen, I'm not the kind of guy who complains changing the lamp bulb saying how much the older was good.
That said, there's a problem with the reviews, they are almost ALL paid, ALL equals, everyday there is something which overwhelms the things unreachable the day before, so it's quite impossible to understand how much a thing is good, it's always a river of 'awesome' 'fantastic' 'gorgeous', come on, it's impossible, and you notice it the very moment you try some of the stuff for real. Influencers, content creators, don't serve our little world well at the moment

For me a lot of it is wasted resources. It's something I hate to see. Like when someone complains how expensive car ownership is and how many problems they have but they drive a huge, expensive, inefficient, unreliable SUV when a Corolla would serve them just fine.

But they still feel they need to drive an SUV because since 2000 or so that's what everyone expects you to drive (all after they made fun of the proto-SUV Pontiac Aztek).
 
Edit: also, I'm not sure how the bridge is supposed to compensate for intonation changes when strings themselves age and deteriorate.

Plus, the pitch imperfections and tonal changes in playing in certain parts of the neck vs. others is what gives music its tone and color.

What I don't understand about the Evertune is that it modifies the string length to keep the note in tune, so how is the intonation not always in some state of being off?

I haven't played one, but I imagine it would sound like playing a guitar that is in tune every where on the neck, but that strangely the harmonics are "off" and the notes themselves may lack punch or depth.

Also, I imagine that it would clip your vibrato in a disconcerting way.

However if I was playing metal in a band, it would be one less thing to worry about. Good enough.
 
I think it goes by tension rather than lenght?

You can also set it to "zones" where bends and vibrato work just fine. I guess they still feel off, but TBH, so do they on a Floyd if you're used to fixed bridges.
 
Maybe spend some time with an Evertune equipped instrument and base your opinion on that?

There are good and bad features, both objective and subjective. Use one for a few months and they become apparent.

The improved intonation thing is real. In fact it's the best thing about it.
 
I don't know...it just seems like a fussy solution to an almost non-existant issue. As far as I know a guitar cannot be "perfectly' intonated,.. that;s just the nature of the beast. So you can either just live w/ it and have fun playing it anyway or get all anal about things and make yourself miserable spending tons of time/cash on wholly unneeded gizmo's like Evertune and w/e else is out there.

Remember, All your favourite albums were recorded w/o an Evertune (most likely..unless you're 12)...so do you agonize about the lack of perfect intonation on them every time you spin them or just listen to them loud ..bang your head & play frantic air guitar?? :lmao:

I can tell you that unless you're drastically out of tune. (Can happen...why I take three tuned guitar's to every gig) The crowd at your gig really does'nt give a rat's ass about whether you have perfect intonation., You are far more likely to piss everyone off tuning your guitar endlessly between every song....or messing w/ endless gizmo's onstage,..tweaking/adjusting your "tone" constantly etc...
 
I can tell you that unless you're drastically out of tune. (Can happen...why I take three tuned guitar's to every gig) The crowd at your gig really does'nt give a rat's ass about whether you have perfect intonation., You are far more likely to piss everyone off tuning your guitar endlessly between every song....or messing w/ endless gizmo's onstage,..tweaking/adjusting your "tone" constantly etc...
If you tune with a tuner pedal, no one will notice other than other guitarists. I always though tuning by ear at a gig is so unprofessional.
 
An evertune works differently from a regular bridge. It keeps the pitch the same, no matter what (if you set it up in that tight zone, don't remember how it's called). That means that when you have, for example, a thick gauge of strings, or downtune quite a bit, and hit hard, the pitch won't go up after the first pick attack and then down again. That makes for a super-tight sound when you play superhard heavy metal.

It is also extremely convenient on stage because the thing just works. Slap on fresh strings, and boom, you're good to go. No need to mess with a balancing knife edge anymore, or tuning between songs. The string locks inside of the saddle and the spring keeps that runner at tension, and then the string exits the saddle over a cam (which is the intonation point). The spring in the back, one per string, obviously, pushes and pulls the string depending on how it is set up per string, per note/tuning.

I suppose it takes a bit of getting used to, and imho it is butt-ugly but it is extremely convenient and handy.
 
An evertune works differently from a regular bridge. It keeps the pitch the same, no matter what (if you set it up in that tight zone, don't remember how it's called). That means that when you have, for example, a thick gauge of strings, or downtune quite a bit, and hit hard, the pitch won't go up after the first pick attack and then down again. That makes for a super-tight sound when you play superhard heavy metal.

It is also extremely convenient on stage because the thing just works. Slap on fresh strings, and boom, you're good to go. No need to mess with a balancing knife edge anymore, or tuning between songs. The string locks inside of the saddle and the spring keeps that runner at tension, and then the string exits the saddle over a cam (which is the intonation point). The spring in the back, one per string, obviously, pushes and pulls the string depending on how it is set up per string, per note/tuning.

I suppose it takes a bit of getting used to, and imho it is butt-ugly but it is extremely convenient and handy.

...but it doesn't float. For me it has to float to be desirable because divebombs and squeals are cooler than perfect intonation, especially if you do them while playing a difficult rhythm, proving you can play both lead and rhythm simultaneously. And you can stay in tune because you have a quality bridge and know how to set it up correctly.

It's about flashy, difficult guitar playing done in one take, not pounding syncopated power chords into a MacBook and syncing it to a grid. :)

And the knife edge should be balanced if the claw is adjusted correctly and the bridge is leveled. The other strings will take up the slack for the missing one to some degree and once a new string is put on and tuned to pitch only minor adjustment is necessary.

I've never understood the need to hit hard except for tight, faster alternate picking when you don't want the notes to blur together. Economy picking for speed, a light touch, that sort of thing.

The only time I've ever had issues with a low tuned guitar is a 24.75" and it would occasionally go flat with 10s tuned DGCFAD. This is after my using 25.5" Floyded guitars for nearly 30 years.

Solution: practice with more 24.75" guitars to develop a lighter touch, go up a string gauge if needed. Don't flail the right hand with wasteful, excessive motion to look more impressive on stage or to get what one thinks is a superior tone but isn't because you're already loud through an amp, heavily distorted, and compressed and no one can tell the difference from yards or hundreds of feet away.

Still seems like more of a crutch device for less technically experienced guitarists to have more tuning stability when they play with a heavy hand, which, instead of correcting amateurism, is amateurism.

The video poster also talked about how restrictive the zones can be, how they change the feel of bends, and the high strings nearly coming off the neck. A Googled perusal of criticisms of the bridge also shows that many feel, like a Kahler, the Evertune is a tone suck, which would make sense on something with that big a metallic footprint.

I'm willing to accept a bridge leeching tone from "tone wood" but only if that bridge offers desirable functionality: the ability to float.

If they make a floating version, I might try it. But again, it's an elaborate solution to a problem I don't have. Where my resentment comes from is when they slap this thing on most new guitars it forces them on those of us who don't want them.

As far as being out of tune with other guitarists, even guitars of differing scale length are going to sound slightly different, and minor imperfections are how you can tell there are two guitars that create a stereo effect in a live recording.

For their part, True Temperament says their system doesn't create dissonance with standard guitars, so how off can an Evertune and regular bridge playing together be?

Which means, you kind of don't need it either ET or TT. Even so, you can use TT with a floating bridge, which you can't right now with Evertune.

All of this said, I skipped most of the problems with Floyds because I started on Floyds and went to fixed bridge later. I considered floating bridges to be superior even at 15 years old because they gave the guitar additional functionality. Knowing how to set one up made me more self reliant to the point that I only stayed away from Kahlers because of expense and they're harder to find relative to Floyds.

Basically ET has nothing to offer me, really, so I don't understand the interest in the product if, like Phantasmagoria , I can see a simpler solution to the problem than what they are trying to sell me.

I'll check back with them when they have a floating version perfected, though.

From TT:

https://www.truetemperament.com/faq/

"What happens when True Temperament guitars are used with other guitars, bass, piano etc?

It works just fine together with “ordinary” instruments. The offsets from Equal Temper are not so severe that they create any dissonance whatsoever."
 
Not everybody needs divebombs, flutters, dimesqueals, etc., but everybody does need to be in tune. Like I said, I don't disagree with you in saying that it's trendy for the most part. But there are some applications where I bet it will come in handy.

I just don't feel as negatively as you do. I mean, after all, we've discussed Fishman, for example. Yes, I admit they are trendy and they are really hyped. But when I gave them a chance, I was really glad I did. They won't make me get rid of my passives. Hell, right now, I don't have them loade in any guitar. But they're great. I'm passionate about pickups, and I think it's great to have first-hand experience with them and have a set a few sets around to broaden the palette when needed.

For that reason alone, even if I'm not interested in the Evertune at the moment, I don't think it's such a bad invetion, and I'd love to give it a try at some point. Then again, for my situation, I do think it's overkill, it's expensive, and I'd rather spend that money on something else.

I do agree that how that sheeple refers to it is really annoying.
 
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...but it doesn't float. For me it has to float to be desirable because divebombs and squeals are cooler than perfect intonation, especially if you do them while playing a difficult rhythm, proving you can play both lead and rhythm simultaneously. And you can stay in tune because you have a quality bridge and know how to set it up correctly.

It's about flashy, difficult guitar playing done in one take, not pounding syncopated power chords into a MacBook and syncing it to a grid. :)

And the knife edge should be balanced if the claw is adjusted correctly and the bridge is leveled. The other strings will take up the slack for the missing one to some degree and once a new string is put on and tuned to pitch only minor adjustment is necessary.

I've never understood the need to hit hard except for tight, faster alternate picking when you don't want the notes to blur together. Economy picking for speed, a light touch, that sort of thing.

The only time I've ever had issues with a low tuned guitar is a 24.75" and it would occasionally go flat with 10s tuned DGCFAD. This is after my using 25.5" Floyded guitars for nearly 30 years.

Solution: practice with more 24.75" guitars to develop a lighter touch, go up a string gauge if needed. Don't flail the right hand with wasteful, excessive motion to look more impressive on stage or to get what one thinks is a superior tone but isn't because you're already loud through an amp, heavily distorted, and compressed and no one can tell the difference from yards or hundreds of feet away.

Still seems like more of a crutch device for less technically experienced guitarists to have more tuning stability when they play with a heavy hand, which, instead of correcting amateurism, is amateurism.

The video poster also talked about how restrictive the zones can be, how they change the feel of bends, and the high strings nearly coming off the neck. A Googled perusal of criticisms of the bridge also shows that many feel, like a Kahler, the Evertune is a tone suck, which would make sense on something with that big a metallic footprint.

I'm willing to accept a bridge leeching tone from "tone wood" but only if that bridge offers desirable functionality: the ability to float.

If they make a floating version, I might try it. But again, it's an elaborate solution to a problem I don't have. Where my resentment comes from is when they slap this thing on most new guitars it forces them on those of us who don't want them.

As far as being out of tune with other guitarists, even guitars of differing scale length are going to sound slightly different, and minor imperfections are how you can tell there are two guitars that create a stereo effect in a live recording.

For their part, True Temperament says their system doesn't create dissonance with standard guitars, so how off can an Evertune and regular bridge playing together be?

Which means, you kind of don't need it either ET or TT. Even so, you can use TT with a floating bridge, which you can't right now with Evertune.

All of this said, I skipped most of the problems with Floyds because I started on Floyds and went to fixed bridge later. I considered floating bridges to be superior even at 15 years old because they gave the guitar additional functionality. Knowing how to set one up made me more self reliant to the point that I only stayed away from Kahlers because of expense and they're harder to find relative to Floyds.

Basically ET has nothing to offer me, really, so I don't understand the interest in the product if, like Phantasmagoria , I can see a simpler solution to the problem than what they are trying to sell me.

I'll check back with them when they have a floating version perfected, though.

From TT:

https://www.truetemperament.com/faq/

"What happens when True Temperament guitars are used with other guitars, bass, piano etc?

It works just fine together with “ordinary” instruments. The offsets from Equal Temper are not so severe that they create any dissonance whatsoever."

I'm not going to read that. Sorry.

You don't have a need for an evertune, fine. But some folks swear by it because it stays in tune. Not just over time, but also within the decay of the note. It's for folk for whom extreme precision within the note is of paramount importance. I don't know why, but I know there are plenty of folk who feel it is an absolute gamechanger.

It is funny you call an evertune a tonesuck. I have tried guitar that are exactly the same, just with a hardtail or an evertune and the difference is imperceptible. HOw I know the guitars are the same? Because they are Aristides with Fishman pickups. No differences in woods, no differences in winding patterns. Eliminate the variables.

People blahblahblah each other akin to braindead sheep without actually trying or knowing anything.

The Youtubification of the guitar industry, or rather, modern life I suppose.
 
I'm not going to read that. Sorry.

You don't have a need for an evertune, fine. But some folks swear by it because it stays in tune. Not just over time, but also within the decay of the note. It's for folk for whom extreme precision within the note is of paramount importance. I don't know why, but I know there are plenty of folk who feel it is an absolute gamechanger.

It is funny you call an evertune a tonesuck. I have tried guitar that are exactly the same, just with a hardtail or an evertune and the difference is imperceptible. HOw I know the guitars are the same? Because they are Aristides with Fishman pickups. No differences in woods, no differences in winding patterns. Eliminate the variables.

People blahblahblah each other akin to braindead sheep without actually trying or knowing anything.

The Youtubification of the guitar industry, or rather, modern life I suppose.

But you just did in order to reply. :) It can be shortened to this:

No float = bad because boring sounds (a Les Paul is just as boring to me because it does not float).

"What happens when True Temperament guitars are used with other guitars, bass, piano etc?

It works just fine together with “ordinary” instruments. The offsets from Equal Temper are not so severe that they create any dissonance whatsoever."
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(No noticing of difference between regular guitars and guitars with perfect intonation, so no need for perfect intonation devices.)

I thought Artistides guitars were all made of metal and carbon fiber?

"The Youtubification of the guitar industry, or rather, modern life I suppose."

Absolute agreement, which brings me back to:

"Where my resentment comes from is when they slap this thing on most new guitars it forces them on those of us who don't want them."

But I've said for many threads now that guitars since 2019 and the pandemic at the most recent have been on the boring side because of supply chain issues, inflation, and manufacturers being unwilling to take on risk.
 
Not everybody needs divebombs, flutters, dimesqueals, etc., but everybody does need to be in tune. Like I said, I don't disagree with you in saying that it's trendy for the most part. But there are some applications where I bet it will come in handy.

I just don't feel as negatively as you do. I mean, after all, we've discussed Fishman, for example. Yes, I admit they are trendy and they are really hyped. But when I gave them a chance, I was really glad I did. They won't make me get rid of my passives. Hell, right now, I don't have them loade in any guitar. But they're great. I'm passionate about pickups, and I think it's great to have first-hand experience with them and have a set a few sets around to broaden the palette when needed.

For that reason alone, even if I'm not interested in the Evertune at the moment, I don't think it's such a bad invetion, and I'd love to give it a try at some point. Then again, for my situation, I do think it's overkill, it's expensive, and I'd rather spend that money on something else.

I do agree that how that sheeple refers to it is really annoying.

Ideally we could have a device that would do all these things and float. What ET is trying to do isn't bad. It's what has to be done and given up in order to do it.

Unfortunately we're usually expected to make tradeoffs. :(

Not to be unfair to Evertune. I could go on about how the location of the killswitch in EVH guitars makes no sense because it's on the lower front horn, which takes your hand away from the strings. I get that it makes the guitars look more modded, like the toggle switch would have been there but isn't, it's a killswitch, a ha! But it doesn't really make sense in terms of where it's placed.

The last time I saw a new bridge I liked was about 10 years ago--the AxMax--which seemed to fix a lot of problems with OFRs. Unfortunately, it never really took off.

It's a big hunk of metal too like the ET, which I'm not sure I like, but I like it that the strings are held in by the ball end and not clamped, which was something I always wanted.

All videos of it have been removed as well sadly.

I think the issue was it didn't retrofit Floyded guitars as cleanly as hoped. The inventor said it was hard to design a bridge that didn't infringe on preexisting patents, so he couldn't make a straight up copy to fit the route probably.

https://www.premierguitar.com/axmax-introduces-new-tremolo-system

https://www.localeben.com/2013/09/12/the-dreamer-axmax-tremolo/
 
That seems like a cool devise.

But I think stating guitars with bridges that don't flat is falling a bit extreme. I get it, though. You like those. I'm not going to tell you what to like and what not to. It's just that a Les Paul for me is fun enough even if I can't go all Van Halen on it, so I don't think I'll agree on that front. :)

That being said, though, right now I only have classic/grandpa/boomer-looking guitars. I know it's not exactly modern, but I've always wanted a birth-year Ibanez RG with the Edge bridge. I think those are sick with the Road Flare Red finish. And even if the bridge is pot metal rather than steel like a Floyd, I really liked the looks and feel of it when I had it in my '98 RG570.
 
That seems like a cool devise.

But I think stating guitars with bridges that don't flat is falling a bit extreme. I get it, though. You like those. I'm not going to tell you what to like and what not to. It's just that a Les Paul for me is fun enough even if I can't go all Van Halen on it, so I don't think I'll agree on that front. :)

That being said, though, right now I only have classic/grandpa/boomer-looking guitars. I know it's not exactly modern, but I've always wanted a birth-year Ibanez RG with the Edge bridge. I think those are sick with the Road Flare Red finish. And even if the bridge is pot metal rather than steel like a Floyd, I really liked the looks and feel of it when I had it in my '98 RG570.

I like the way Alexi played. I found it exciting.

Hard to do CoB on an Evertune.
 
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