Another Pedal board question and a rate my rig type question..

[BloodRose]

First, I have decided to go with a Pedal train board. Id prefer some of the other brands as I like a flat deck and enclosed case, vs the open rack style of the PT. But Im going to have to finance and I cant finance one of the other brands.

First the question.. Im running 7 pedals, may go 8 tops. most are normal size except the mxr 10 band eq and one is a wah. Approx what size board do you suppose Ill need? I was gonna go with something similar to the one I built, but it is pretty square, 18x19, so it really doesnt match the sizing of the pedal trains as they are more rectangular. So, which size would fit about 8 pedals?

Next, here is what Im running. Please tell me if I have most of my tonal bases covered if I were to start gigging. And if I have something that would be useless.

1) Im getting a Jerry Cantrell wah. (replacing my vox)

2) Im getting a MXR Carbon copy. (replacing my Boss DD7) Delay

3) Holy grail Nano. reverb

4) Boss NS2. noise reduction

5) MXR Ten band EQ. shape (really helps with the Splawn)

6) Green Rhino. (boost)

7)Boss CE5 . chorus


Thats what Im thinking for a standard set up. Anything I might should add that I may need regularly? Or anything that I have listed that may be pretty useless? I have a bunch of other pedals I can rotate in if the situation calls for it. Such as a Phase 90, MXR Flanger, etc..

Most likely, once I get my main board dialed in, I may use my current board for a "flavor board" and mount flavor effects on it , such as the Phase, flange, etc.

Thanks for your input!

 

[PFDarkside]

Re: Another Pedal board question and a rate my rig type question..

Www.pedalboardplanner.com

Wah on-board would probably be a PT Jr., but consider using the Wah off-board and see if you can squeeze them onto a PT Mini. Also, if cost is an issue, you can make a very similar board (to custom size) out of wood stock, glue and screws for a lot cheaper.

For feedback items, if those are your pedal requirements, they look good. One thing to think about, how will you power? 9V, One-Spot or Power Supply?

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: Another Pedal board question and a rate my rig type question..

Www.pedalboardplanner.com

Wah on-board would probably be a PT Jr., but consider using the Wah off-board and see if you can squeeze them onto a PT Mini. Also, if cost is an issue, you can make a very similar board (to custom size) out of wood stock, glue and screws for a lot cheaper.

For feedback items, if those are your pedal requirements, they look good. One thing to think about, how will you power? 9V, One-Spot or Power Supply?

+1
the pedal board planner is what I used
the pedal train I got came with a soft case/bag that it fits in
for just a bit more you can get a hard case

once you decide what lay out you want
the pedal board planner has an option to save a jpeg
which you can post here sose we can see.....so we can see.....what tomorrow might bring

 

[BloodRose]

Re: Another Pedal board question and a rate my rig type question..

Www.pedalboardplanner.com

Wah on-board would probably be a PT Jr., but consider using the Wah off-board and see if you can squeeze them onto a PT Mini. Also, if cost is an issue, you can make a very similar board (to custom size) out of wood stock, glue and screws for a lot cheaper.

For feedback items, if those are your pedal requirements, they look good. One thing to think about, how will you power? 9V, One-Spot or Power Supply?

Thanks for the info! Im currently using a homemade board and planning to upgrade. Years ago, I made a huge enclosed box and had all my pedals in it and had something like an industrial 20 plug power strip mounted in it, warts, adapters. The thing was ungodly heavy. Worse thing is, the latches I installed werent up to the task of keeping the lid attached to the bottom. But the thing weighed probably 80 lbs..

I more recently build a nice little 18x 19 inch board with 2 levels and it works pretty well. Have a power strip mounted under neath and it looks somewhat tidy. So, as I said in my orig post, once I buy a board for my main setup, Ill use that board and mount my "flavor" or color pedals to it. Phase,flange, etc. So If I need those, Ill have em ready. I just want to get streamlined where I can set up rather quickly and all. After I buy a board, and get it paid off, Ill then buy a proper power source for it. Either the PT one or a voodoo labs. That way, I dont have all the wiring mess zip tied up underneath . Less failure prone too. My current setup, got a short somewhere and it was a nightmare trying to figure out why it kept failing..

 

[PFDarkside]

Re: Another Pedal board question and a rate my rig type question..

With that in mind, the Pedaltrain Jr, 1, 2, 3 & Pro are far easier to mount one or more power supplies to, the angle and spacing are ideal, and there are specialty brackets for VL Supplies as well as generic brackets. As far as I know, only the Volto fits under the Mini without modification. (You can still fit a supply in the trough of the Mini quite well though)

I'm not sure about this new line of boards they are introducing this spring.

 

[Demanic]

Re: Another Pedal board question and a rate my rig type question..

What, no Metalzone?

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: Another Pedal board question and a rate my rig type question..

My pt2 came with brackets for power supply and velcro
And the soft case with an external pocket and shoulder strap

*(Sent from my durned phone!)*

 

[MetalManiac]

Re: Another Pedal board question and a rate my rig type question..

dd7 to carbon copy is a drastic change. One is dark and brooding, the other is bright and almost sterile. I'd consider something like the new duncan delay that has a bright yet warm sound, and seems to be the best of both worlds..

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: Another Pedal board question and a rate my rig type question..

I know most people expect a materialistic answer from me, but no. Stay Calm, and play your guitar. LOL

 

[BloodRose]

Re: Another Pedal board question and a rate my rig type question..

Www.pedalboardplanner.com

Wah on-board would probably be a PT Jr., but consider using the Wah off-board and see if you can squeeze them onto a PT Mini. Also, if cost is an issue, you can make a very similar board (to custom size) out of wood stock, glue and screws for a lot cheaper.

For feedback items, if those are your pedal requirements, they look good. One thing to think about, how will you power? 9V, One-Spot or Power Supply?

Hey PFDarkside, Wife is out of town, so getting the bck to this project. (FINALLY) You asked about power supply.. I have come a long way.. I used to use separate adapters for every pedal, then had to use the adapter things with the flat pad to plug the adapter into that turns into a single cord. (cant think what its called) Then plugged those into a power strip mounted on the board. Then I bought a couple of one spots. Big diff in looks, weight and clutter reduction.. I have recently bought a little power source thats about 6"x2" that will power 8 pedals. Ill mount that underneath (soon as I get some brackets).

I have my color pedals on the top row and others on bottom. Ill be able to chain them all into the front or can run color pedals into amps loop.

Getting things narrowed down. Top row is gonna be : MXR 10 band EQ - Boss chorus - MXR Carbon Copy - Holy grail Nano verb to the loop

Bottom ROW : Jerry Cantrel Wah - FTL Drive (this may change) - Way Huge Green Rhino - Noise suppressor to the front end of the amp

I have a few diff dirt pedals, but am not completely sold on any of them. I know I want a Tubescreamer type, thus the green Rhino, but not sure what other one. Ive yet to try an OCD or Suhr Riot. both of those intrigue me.

Thoughts on the order? Sound like Ill have a plenty of bases covered?

As I said before, Ill build another board for more color pedals.. Flange, phase etc. Right now Im just trying to cover basics with this one..
Thanks

 

[treyhaislip]

Re: Another Pedal board question and a rate my rig type question..

Www.pedalboardplanner.com

Wah on-board would probably be a PT Jr., but consider using the Wah off-board and see if you can squeeze them onto a PT Mini. Also, if cost is an issue, you can make a very similar board (to custom size) out of wood stock, glue and screws for a lot cheaper.

For feedback items, if those are your pedal requirements, they look good. One thing to think about, how will you power? 9V, One-Spot or Power Supply?

Pedalboard planner is awesome BUT they don't have the Mad Professor Golden Cello, Stone Grey Distortion and "1"...:soapbox: lol I just used the other MPs that were the same size. lol

Cool thing and thanks for sharing!

 

[blueman335]

Re: Another Pedal board question and a rate my rig type question..

I have recently bought a little power source thats about 6"x2" that will power 8 pedals. Ill mount that underneath (soon as I get some brackets).

I'm going thru the same process myself, and it's not as simple as I thought it was. I used to think you could just plug 'em in and go.


- Have you checked to make sure all your pedals have a negative ground? A few have positive grounds and can burn out with a negative ground power supply.

- Do you know whether your pedals are true bypass, buffered, or hard wired? Having everything true bypass isn't necessarily a good thing when you have a number of pedals on a board.

- Also, what's the output of your power supply in MA, and do you know the current draw of your pedals? Some pedals are power hogs, and you may not have enough current to go around if you have multiple pedals on at the same time.

There's plenty of info online about what order to put your pedals in.

 

[Hank-]

Re: Another Pedal board question and a rate my rig type question..

Regular gigging board without a TUNER pedal is blasphemy! Lol

Well i dont use one anymore since i got the NS micro tuner by daddario recently. I was gonna do a ngd thread since i redid by entire live setup but later on with that. The carbon copy can be too dark with a not so bright amp, to a point where it may not even be audible in a mix. I would suggest the truetone single tap delay is worth looking into, as is the flashback & hardwire dl8.

 

[treyhaislip]

Re: Another Pedal board question and a rate my rig type question..

Regular gigging board without a TUNER pedal is blasphemy! Lol

Well i dont use one anymore since i got the NS micro tuner by daddario recently. I was gonna do a ngd thread since i redid by entire live setup but later on with that. The carbon copy can be too dark with a not so bright amp, to a point where it may not even be audible in a mix. I would suggest the truetone single tap delay is worth looking into, as is the flashback & hardwire dl8.

Ha! Thankfully my USA Fender Strat stays in tune (proper setup at work here) and I only tune all 6 strings once a month–the high E and B strings usually need just a slight tweaking after some lead playing. I've debated about getting a Polytune pedal but my ancient lil Korg CA-30 works perfectly...

EDIT: But I still feel like a Polytune will be a purchase someday soon

 

[blueman335]

Re: Another Pedal board question and a rate my rig type question..

Thankfully my USA Fender Strat stays in tune (proper setup at work here) and I only tune all 6 strings once a month

You're obviously not bending nearly enough.

 

[treyhaislip]

Re: Another Pedal board question and a rate my rig type question..

You're obviously not bending nearly enough.

Ha! I play Rock/Blues style at a Church every Sunday plus my practice time. 2 Point tremolo set up correctly stays in tune remarkably well

 

[BloodRose]

Re: Another Pedal board question and a rate my rig type question..

I'm going thru the same process myself, and it's not as simple as I thought it was. I used to think you could just plug 'em in and go.


- Have you checked to make sure all your pedals have a negative ground? A few have positive grounds and can burn out with a negative ground power supply.

- Do you know whether your pedals are true bypass, buffered, or hard wired? Having everything true bypass isn't necessarily a good thing when you have a number of pedals on a board.

- Also, what's the output of your power supply in MA, and do you know the current draw of your pedals? Some pedals are power hogs, and you may not have enough current to go around if you have multiple pedals on at the same time.

There's plenty of info online about what order to put your pedals in.

I "THINK" Im ok there.. I know a couple of my pedals are 18v as opposed to 9 and such. I think maybe my ADA flanger is one. IIRC there arent any 18v ones going on this board. My power supply does have a couple of extra ports for oddities. One 18v and something else. I think and HOPE Ill be ok.. If not, Ill have to keep some quirky rigging going on..

Regular gigging board without a TUNER pedal is blasphemy! Lol

Well i dont use one anymore since i got the NS micro tuner by daddario recently. I was gonna do a ngd thread since i redid by entire live setup but later on with that. The carbon copy can be too dark with a not so bright amp, to a point where it may not even be audible in a mix. I would suggest the truetone single tap delay is worth looking into, as is the flashback & hardwire dl8.

I will invest in a good board tuner down the road. I have a nice one (arion) thats ancient (think I bought it in 1984..??)) I also have a nice little Sabine unit that I could probably mount on the board. But mostly Ive been using my headstock clip on one.

 

[hydro]

Re: Another Pedal board question and a rate my rig type question..

Be sure to account for space taken up by input/output jacks. The mini plugs made by Lava Cable can save you real estate if you just don't have quite enough space.

And +1 on the onboard tuner. The Korg Pitchblack is great because it has BIG letters and is easy to see onstage, it has a 9V daisy chain output on it so you can power another pedal, and it acts as a stage mute when engaged. I have two, one for each board. I gotta have a tuner cause I play like an ape.

 

[PFDarkside]

Re: Another Pedal board question and a rate my rig type question..

Hey PFDarkside, Wife is out of town, so getting the bck to this project. (FINALLY) You asked about power supply.. I have come a long way.. I used to use separate adapters for every pedal, then had to use the adapter things with the flat pad to plug the adapter into that turns into a single cord. (cant think what its called) Then plugged those into a power strip mounted on the board. Then I bought a couple of one spots. Big diff in looks, weight and clutter reduction.. I have recently bought a little power source thats about 6"x2" that will power 8 pedals. Ill mount that underneath (soon as I get some brackets).

Sounds good! I built up both of my boards when my wife was out of town, so much extra time as long as the honey do is complete. Are you using the Splawn still? If so, you have a lot of gain options available there, add in a TS style and possibly an OCD for a different type of boost and you've got a rockin rig!

Pedalboard planner is awesome BUT they don't have the Mad Professor Golden Cello, Stone Grey Distortion and "1"...:soapbox: lol I just used the other MPs that were the same size. lol

Cool thing and thanks for sharing!

For the ones that aren't in their database, I use the same brand/size, then use MSpaint if I want an accurate visual representation. Also, they have a generic size that you can input dimensions to if you want. Finally, they say all they need is a high quality photo and an accurate size and they'll add a pedal to the database. The one I really miss is the new mini Fuzz Face.

I'm going thru the same process myself, and it's not as simple as I thought it was. I used to think you could just plug 'em in and go.


- Have you checked to make sure all your pedals have a negative ground? A few have positive grounds and can burn out with a negative ground power supply.

- Do you know whether your pedals are true bypass, buffered, or hard wired? Having everything true bypass isn't necessarily a good thing when you have a number of pedals on a board.

- Also, what's the output of your power supply in MA, and do you know the current draw of your pedals? Some pedals are power hogs, and you may not have enough current to go around if you have multiple pedals on at the same time.

There's plenty of info online about what order to put your pedals in.

Really good point about polarity. There are a few off the wall Japanese pedals that are positive ground. I think most are older, but always a good idea to check. Also, why don't all pedals have a reverse voltage protection diode? $.10 part can save a pedal....

 

[Hank-]

Re: Another Pedal board question and a rate my rig type question..

Ha! Thankfully my USA Fender Strat stays in tune (proper setup at work here) and I only tune all 6 strings once a month–the high E and B strings usually need just a slight tweaking after some lead playing. I've debated about getting a Polytune pedal but my ancient lil Korg CA-30 works perfectly...

EDIT: But I still feel like a Polytune will be a purchase someday soon

Are those locking type tuners on it, the kind that don't turn if someone or thing bumped into them? I dont have locking ones on any of my guitars(all floating trem), wasn't much interested in the idea, strings stretch themselves depending on heat & other stuff, so the idea of permanent lockdown never seemed useful, since temperatures vary on gigs or home & along with humidity can cause me tuning grief since i live along the coastal side.

Lucky though yours stay in tune even with bending alot, change the springs every two months or something like the tremol-no installed in there? Actually something like the tremolono has been on my get to list someday..