Any Drawbacks Using a Humbucker For Middle Pickup in a Strat?

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In the big picture, does it really matter what someone else thinks? Does it really impact your life?

It matters when you give advice to people that don't know you from anyone else on the forum.

I'm not saying you're wrong, just that it does matter what the people that give pickup advice think.
 
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ItsaBass and Aceman: Appartently Zhang is in the same category as I am; after all, what does he know about PU's, he just designs and winds them.

Being able to build a car doesn't make you a racecar driver. Just saying.
 
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No, Zhang is not in your category at all.

*For the record, Frehley never used the middle pickup. It wasn't even wired. Often it wasn't even a real pickup, but dummy cooils just glued to the front of the guitar.

And - just to be clear - a HUMBUCKER is a method of wiring a pickup. It is not any specific size. Lot of ASSumption going on about exactly what OP wants.
 
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I don't understand the mentality of people that feel the need to do that to others publicly. This isn't supposed to deteriorate into a free-for-all.

And we don't understand why anyone would feel the need to present opinion and views as fact, especially as the facts of others.
 
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People have their middle pickups 1/8" away from the strings? What are the bridge pickups 1/16" away? That seems way too close.
 
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People have their middle pickups 1/8" away from the strings? What are the bridge pickups 1/16" away? That seems way too close.

1/16 = 2/32 I generally run 3/32 treble and 5/32 bass. But again, varies by pup/guitar. But 3/5 32 is about Spec for a Gibson PAF. I might go farther with a hotter pup.
 
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And we don't understand why anyone would feel the need to present opinion and views as fact.

If you've appointed yourself to police the forum for that, you're going to be a very busy boy. Might have to quit your day job. And a search of your post history wouldn't find you ever guilty of that?
 
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All of you suck compared to me. Three pups don't mean squat. I'll smoke you all like a cheap cigar and you'll like it!
 
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1. Going in a strat with neck and bridge singles, not a hollow body with 3 buckers.

That's even worse. Even an underwound bucker in the middle will overwhelm the singles.

F said:
2. The point of the pics was to show that a 3hb set up won't impede your playing skills, as plenty of artists have sucessfully played them. They can be lowered out of the way quite easily.

On this we agree. If the middle pickup is bothering your playing technique, your playing seriously needs an overhaul, because you're jamming the pick in there WAY too deep -- and probably wondering why you can't pick very fast.

F said:
3. Loads of recordings have used that middle hb. It's especially awesome for blues and slide as mentioned in the video and has been used effectively by all the people mentioned including Ry Cooder, Andrew Fairweather Low, and Wayne Kramer himself.

And if they sounded like the middle pu in Securb's slide video then it just sounds plain muddy to me.

F said:
4. On a strat, the between position quack would be retained, it was when I got to play a WK strat.

No.
 
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You keep talking about "quacky" like it is the end game for all tone.

With middle pickups, it is. With middle pickups you have two choices -- quack or mud. I'll take the quack.

Securb said:
I personally don't like a "quacky" pickup I have never been a big Strat guy. A lot of players love that "beehive" tone, Jack White being one of them, I personally love it myself. The big thing you don't get is the smile on the guy's face, he loves the guitar and the tone. He exclaimed "I love this guitar" that is what it is all about, his preference.

It's a free country, he can smile and like whatever he wants. You seem to think I'm disputing that. I also said -- perhaps you don't remember -- that if you want a beefy lead tone from your middle, maybe a full-size humbucker is for you, but otherwise forget it.

Securb said:
I know we should all bow down to what you think our guitars and setups should sound like "in your opinion". Like I said I am not a fan of "quack" so forgive me if I pass on your immense knowledge of gear.

Switch to decaf, you're taking all of this WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too seriously.
 
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No, Zhang is not in your category at all.

I'm not?

Securb said:
Being able to build a car doesn't make you a racecar driver. Just saying.

True, but I am a player and a pretty freakin' good one if I do say so myself. (That comment should really get the Snit Brigades into a tizzy.) I was a player for 30 years before I became a winder, mostly out of stunned disbelief that the range between 8.5k and 14k for a lot of pickups (humbuckers especially) was considered a DMZ land by the big winders.
 
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That's even worse. Even an underwound bucker in the middle will overwhelm the singles.



On this we agree. If the middle pickup is bothering your playing technique, your playing seriously needs an overhaul, because you're jamming the pick in there WAY too deep -- and probably wondering why you can't pick very fast.



And if they sounded like the middle pu in Securb's slide video then it just sounds plain muddy to me.



No.

Exqueeze me? Baking powder? "No"? I told you I played the damn thing. And no way that pickup is too hot. "overpower the singles" my ass it doesn't by a long shot. Putting a Jb in the bridge would the same thing you're talking about but to a GREATER extent and people have been throwing those in their strats and keeping the neck and middle singles forever. It ACTUALLY acts as a little kick ass boost and compressor if you eq a solid rhythm tone for the strat bridge or between position, then just switch to the middle hb to fatten things up and you STILL have access to that awesome strat single coil in the neck position.
See for yourself, it sounds killer solo, even has some quack when just the humbucker which sounds badass. And those between positions have plenty strat quack. this is a 59 bridge bucker and while it is underwound compared to most, there are plenty weaker. Plus he is picking right frickin over the pickup and having no problems.
 
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I dont like the "look" of a middle humbucker. Tonaly too on a strat I prefer single coils in the middle to a singlecoil sized humbucker. I did play a full sized h/h/h RG and I did not like it tonaly (the owner had installed the middle Humbucker). It tonaly sounded something like what Zhang described. I think a H/S/H, H/H or H/S/S set up is much better and versatile. I do think Blueman has a point on why this set up, is not very popular. It may work for some players very well though. That guy who had the 3 hums on the his RG uses them very well.
Everyone is entitled to how he/she would like their tone or likes their tone and set up. What works for me, and what I like don't expect it to work for everyone else.
 
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I'm planning to put a Fast Track 2 in the middle on my RG560 project for an alternative from the bridge pickup for rhythm sounds and an alternative to the neck pickup lead sounds. No care for the notch quack, although I have two other guitars capable of it.

I think this will suit me better personally. I guess we'll find out.

i hope the fast track 2 wont kill anything in sight. what's the rest of the buckers?
 
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With middle pickups you have two choices -- quack or mud. I'll take the quack.

There is where I have to disagree with you. It would all depend on they type of pickup used, an active, ceramic or alnico would all give different tones as would the pickups surrounding them. The electronics and wiring of the guitar also come into play. With the vast amount of pickups and wiring options dare I say the middle humnbucker pickup does not get diluted down to two tonal options.
 
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1) he has the marketing data, and has discussed this with the CEO's of every major guitar company.
2) How many of you remember when you thought pickups with A2's in the neck sounded great, like the PG and the A2P? Blueman explained it to us, and now we know those are bad.
3) Remember when you thought the Custom was just awesome? Then he explained to us how no matter what sound you sought, or what music you played, the C8 was better.
4) He knows what he is talking about. It may have nothing to do with the tone you seek, but you are wrong. You want Blueman tone! Just get on the page and stop arguing.

1) The fact is that middle HB's are found on few factory guitars. There are two possibilities for this: A) most players have little interest in them, or B) there is a conspiracy amongst guitar makers to deprive players of middle HB's guitars, possibly to drive the prices up. I'm certainly not discounting this theory.
2) You continue to get this backwards. I didn't used to like A2 PU's, having only played '57's, 490's, and PG's, all of which lacked treble to my ears. Too smooth and dark for my tastes. It's been 3 or 4 years since I bought some Seth's and BB's, and have since then been actively promoting them. Ace, if you're going to claim to quote me, you should make an attempt to get the facts right, otherwise it gives the impression you don't pay a lot of attention to things.
3)[I] Many [/I]players here are big fans of the C8. I don't play metal or care for the sound of ceramics, so I prefer C8's over Customs. Personal preference. Again, if you were paying attention Ace, you'd have noticed that I have been recommending the Custom all along for guys that play metal.
4) My specialty is blues and classic rock in Gibson-design guitars. That I know something about, but certainly not an expert. I've just tried a lot of PU's, magnets, pots, and wirings and make recommendations accordingly. Many members have thanked me over the years for helping them find the tones they want.

Instead of staying on topic and discussing the merits of your viewpoint, you like to ridicule other people; maybe it makes you feel like more of a man. All it does is show people you've run out of valid points to make, and start throwing mud. Good plan. Apparently you're under the impression that you you're not an easy target yourself, but with your KISS obsession, people could take shots at you all day long. I choose not to because it has nothing to do with the discussions here. What you listen to, and how good a player you are, or aren't, doesn't really matter. I have no interest in ever hearing your playing, nor would it impact the merits of your arguments if I did. Most of what we talk about comes down to opinion and taste. In the end, what matters is what works for us individually, and as part of that process, we need to hear a variety of opinions and approaches so we can choose what's right for us. There is no 'one way' of doing things, no right or wrong.
 
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that said, i think that i have recently nailed the "smoke on the water" tone, by using a malmsteen-like rig setup and only the middle pup (DMZ FT1) of my strat, which happens to be a rails humbucker.
 
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