Anyone ever remove the covers on Sentient/Nazgul?

[toowrongfoo]

Or can it not be done?

If it can, any tips? Seen a couple of vids with generic doings but if they are going to look different from a non-covered set, I don't really want to do it.

 

[Mincer]

Re: Anyone ever remove the covers on Sentient/Nazgul?

They should look the same as a non-covered set. However, they will have wax on the bobbins which you'd have to scrape off.

Unsolder the cover
Gently pry off the cover with something thin...slowly.
Scrape off excess wax.

Is there a reason to take the cover off?

 

[Silence Kid]

Re: Anyone ever remove the covers on Sentient/Nazgul?

Prob. no logos? Or have we checked?

 

[toowrongfoo]

Re: Anyone ever remove the covers on Sentient/Nazgul?

They should look the same as a non-covered set. However, they will have wax on the bobbins which you'd have to scrape off.

Unsolder the cover
Gently pry off the cover with something thin...slowly.
Scrape off excess wax.

Is there a reason to take the cover off?

They're kinda beat up, I'm not sure if taking the covers off would get rid of that overly chimey tone or not. Just wanted to ask.

 

[Mincer]

Re: Anyone ever remove the covers on Sentient/Nazgul?

They may even be *more* chimey with the covers off. We have lots of threads here about taking the covers off and what you can expect. 'Beat up' covers are pretty cool, too. Can we see what they look like?

 

[toowrongfoo]

Re: Anyone ever remove the covers on Sentient/Nazgul?

More chimey? That's weird but I'll search for threads. I've always felt that like a Les Paul with covers has that more chimey almost stratish sound.

 

[Silence Kid]

Re: Anyone ever remove the covers on Sentient/Nazgul?

More chimey? That's weird but I'll search for threads. I've always felt that like a Les Paul with covers has that more chimey almost stratish sound.

Perhaps because they're farther from the strings with the cover.

 

[toowrongfoo]

Re: Anyone ever remove the covers on Sentient/Nazgul?

Hmmm. Yeah, maybe...but I dunno.

This is obviously NOT my strength. Good player, not a PUP guru.

 

[eclecticsynergy]

Re: Anyone ever remove the covers on Sentient/Nazgul?

Perhaps because they're farther from the strings with the cover.

It occurs to me that it may also have something to do with the pole screws. With a cover on, the screws will be as hair higher, effectively making the screw coil a bit stronger in output even when they're equal in terms of winds. This may be almost like having a few more turns on that coil. And not just the slight brightness-of-asymmetry, but also the fact that on bridge pickups the screw coil is nearer the end of the active portion of the string- a small distance which results in a lot of tone change because near the bridge it's proportionally far more difference than the distance between coils on a neck pickup is.

Many, many years ago I moved the lead pickup slightly further away from the bridge on one of my Floydcasters. Less than a quarter inch, yet the difference in tone was astonishing.

 

[toowrongfoo]

Re: Anyone ever remove the covers on Sentient/Nazgul?

Interesting.

See for me, the pups sound pretty good. But it's not "tight" like a 7 should be (all my sixes are uncovered) and it's something I've only noticed recently.

Lot's of great information for me to digest, I seriously doubt I'm going to remove these covers (even with the wear) now.

 

[toowrongfoo]

Re: Anyone ever remove the covers on Sentient/Nazgul?

I'm sorry to double post so quickly, but I just had this random thought: Is it possible it's because there is no tone control in that model that I'm hearing the "chimey" sound and has nothing to do with the covers?

 

[Silence Kid]

Re: Anyone ever remove the covers on Sentient/Nazgul?

I've never used a Nazgul (but have wanted to ever since I heard clips.) It is a worthwhile endeavor to experiment with pots/values, etc. ; I don't find that there's such a drastic difference as some perceive from changing/adding pots, but adding a tone (esp. at 250k or so) will certainly be less bright.

 

[toowrongfoo]

Re: Anyone ever remove the covers on Sentient/Nazgul?

I'm almost certain that we're on to something here. I don't know what the KM7 has as far as the pot, but considering that it's a push/pull volume only single/bucker pot, that might be what I'm experiencing.

Now I just need to confirm/deny what the pot is. I'll contact them.

 

[Mincer]

Re: Anyone ever remove the covers on Sentient/Nazgul?

No tone control will certainly add some highs. I don't know how much it would actually be in that particular guitar, or with a lot of gain, though.

 

[toowrongfoo]

Re: Anyone ever remove the covers on Sentient/Nazgul?

I appreciate the help.

 

[TeleJr24]

Re: Anyone ever remove the covers on Sentient/Nazgul?

It occurs to me that it may also have something to do with the pole screws. With a cover on, the screws will be as hair higher, effectively making the screw coil a bit stronger in output even when they're equal in terms of winds. This may be almost like having a few more turns on that coil. And not just the slight brightness-of-asymmetry, but also the fact that on bridge pickups the screw coil is nearer the end of the active portion of the string- a small distance which results in a lot of tone change because near the bridge it's proportionally far more difference than the distance between coils on a neck pickup is.
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I'm not so sure about the screw coil bring a bit higher. When I switched magnets recently I had to take my cover off and the screws were not any higher due to the cover. The screws came right through the holes in the cover. So there wasn't s need for the screws to be any different from a non covered pickup.


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[Silence Kid]

Re: Anyone ever remove the covers on Sentient/Nazgul?

Some people raise pickups as high as possible; for those people, adding a cover means the pickup needs to sit a small amount lower and the polepieces should be raised by the same amount. Doing that does make for a chimier pickup.

 

[eclecticsynergy]

Re: Anyone ever remove the covers on Sentient/Nazgul?

I'm not so sure about the screw coil bring a bit higher. When I switched magnets recently I had to take my cover off and the screws were not any higher due to the cover. The screws came right through the holes in the cover. So there wasn't s need for the screws to be any different from a non covered pickup.

I didn't mean the coil would be higher. I meant the screws themselves might be a hair higher to come through the holes and be flush with the cover, rather than being down flush with the top of the bobbin.

 

[TeleJr24]

Re: Anyone ever remove the covers on Sentient/Nazgul?

I didn't mean the coil would be higher. I meant the screws themselves might be a hair higher to come through the holes and be flush with the cover, rather than being down flush with the top of the bobbin.

Right. I meant screw too.


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[EDX]

Re: Anyone ever remove the covers on Sentient/Nazgul?

i bet the chime you are hearign is the lack of the tone pot, even when on 0 the tone pot bleeds the very high freqs to ground, just to confirm it i've done experiments with the blower switch on my V (profile pic guitar, it's a single dimebucker with 2 push pulls one for blowe switch (jumps pots and sends pickup outpu straight to jack) and a parallel/series (like if a dimebucker needed even more high end...... still parallel with tone pot gets very fun, p90-ish rawk fun)) re-wiring it to just bypass the tone pot, and the difference is big, if you ever tought your humbucker guitar had way too much chime and high end is because you've never heard a dimebucker on parallel through a blower switch.......

if you don't want to drill a hole for the tone pot, and don't use the push pull a lot you can get a double ganged concentrical pot and wire a tone to your guitar (use the outer for vol and the central pot for tone)