Anyone Ever Try This? A Petrucci Trick...

[Guitarist]

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Upon watching the Band Commentary on my Live In Tokyo/5 Years in a Livetime 2 Disc DVD Set for an amazingly low price of $14.99 off of amazon.com (talk about advertising), I recall a moment where John comments not only on his "wimpy" tone, or their "mops of hair", or of the testicle rupturing notes and growls of James LaBrie, but when he notices sliding down to a note and getting that most annoying feedback. He asks the audience's guitarists, "Don't you hate that?" And then later tells us that those where the days of his mounting rings!

You say, wahhht? Hey, I said that as well. It seems blatently obvious. It's the pickup itself moving inside of the ring thats causing those "bad vibrations", if you will. So then he tells the audience that now he actually abandons his rings and screws the pickups directly into the body of his guitar. Strange? The more I think of it, the less strange it seems.

Anyone try this? Or swear by it? Or have opinions? Or have BEEF with me?? Make yourself heard! Vote on NOV 2. And/or reply to this thread.

 

[proxy]

Re: Anyone Ever Try This? A Petrucci Trick...

Sounds liek EDV idea, charvels, and many more before him.

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: Anyone Ever Try This? A Petrucci Trick...

Hmmm ....
I wonder if there's a practical way to test this, proxy! That would make a great review ...

 

[Gearjoneser]

Re: Anyone Ever Try This? A Petrucci Trick...

I haven't seen the video, but it always has seemed strange to me, that people go on and on about body wood, neck wood, headstock angle, bridges. However, the fact that a pickup is mounted on a ring with 2 bolts and 2 springs, tells me that it's GOT to have more effect on tone than the other things. I'm about to start experimenting with a bunch of Duncan pickups in the bridge position on my G&L Invader, which bolts straight to wood. I want to see how good I can make the tone on that guitar.

 

[B2D]

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I've always gotten good tones out of guitars that had the pickups ring or pickguard-mounted but those EVH Wolfgangs sounded WAY good.

I haven't tested this but i think it could have an effect. There's gotta be some effect of the wood resonance on the pickups and such.

 

[Grandor]

Re: Anyone Ever Try This? A Petrucci Trick...

I've always gotten good tones out of guitars that had the pickups ring or pickguard-mounted but those EVH Wolfgangs sounded WAY good.

I haven't tested this but i think it could have an effect. There's gotta be some effect of the wood resonance on the pickups and such.

They sure do mate.
My main axe is a wolfie. I love the tone out of it. But also it resonates so well. I have no idea why, But unpluged it sounds like its got reverb on it, Its beautiful. I think it might be chambered??

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: Anyone Ever Try This? A Petrucci Trick...

I think the question is: does this have more of an impact of your tone at higher volumes, only, or is it across the board? I would love to see a definitive test on this; I'm also gonna submit it to Kellie to ask Seymour about on Friday.

 

[NecroPolo]

Re: Anyone Ever Try This? A Petrucci Trick...

I tried both pickup mounting methods with different p-ups on my test axe and in my experience bolting the p-up to the wood gives a littlebit more controllable feedback. Tonally I noticed no significant difference. I think the wood combination, structure and hardware materials define and colour string resonance and the p-up is "just" a device that captures that resonance down to the smallest details and nuances. So, it is not necessary to physically connect the capturing device to the resonator.

Just my 2cents.

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

Re: Anyone Ever Try This? A Petrucci Trick...

I tried both pickup mounting methods with different p-ups on my test axe and in my experience bolting the p-up to the wood gives a littlebit more controllable feedback. Tonally I noticed no significant difference. I think the wood combination, structure and hardware materials define and colour string resonance and the p-up is "just" a device that captures that resonance down to the smallest details and nuances. So, it is not necessary to physically connect the capturing device to the resonator.

Just my 2cents.

Well, that's a mighty good .02!! There's no substitue for practical experience.

 

[SABOTAGE]

Re: Anyone Ever Try This? A Petrucci Trick...

direct mount pups have more sustain and slightly more bass and midrange emphasis.

 

[BS123]

Re: Anyone Ever Try This? A Petrucci Trick...

I think there is a bit to this idea. After all, a Telecaster's bridge pickup is mounted, by three screws, to a large metal bridge.

 

[B2D]

Re: Anyone Ever Try This? A Petrucci Trick...

Yeah didn't they figure out a while back that that large copper plate in tele pickups was a crucial part of the tone?

So bolt-on pickups give more "controlled feedback" and sustain mmmm yummy I may have to play with this idea... I can see why there'd be no tonal difference though.