Anyone have any details on this JB?

Borntohang

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Hello all. Got a Jazz/JB combo in a Burny LPC I picked up a few weeks back. Buyer couldn't tell me anything beyond 'they're Duncans' but the JB has the following label underneath:

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Not metered it up but it's a two wire. Sounds great with gain but a bit high output for me so probably not a keeper. Any details would be appreciated anyway.

Thanks.
 
if it wasnt covered id have ya look at the magnet but since it is, its not worth taking it off to check out. curious what you hear back from them.
 
Looks to be one the best possible JBs there are. Either Antiquity or Concept Set with Antiquity label. If it's Antiquity, it's rough A5. If it's Concept Set, it's A2.
 
The thing that would concern me is that "prototype" is one word. I would assume that the Custom Shop can spell.

Prototype is one word, we build spell them and build them all the time, so yes, that is weird.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/prototype

The other sticker on the pickup that seems to be scratched out with a pen is weird though, at least to me, but I don't have any experience with the custom shop.

*EDIT* Definitely looks like Seymour's sig based on the other posts, looks like a cool find whatever it is.
 
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Cool Burny, what year?

No serial number imprint which means post '81, but from the aging I'm thinking early 80s. Good aging though! No neck breaks or real damage but had a refret and new nut at some point so I'm not being precious about keeping it original. Pickups sound good, I'm just a low output kind of guy I think.
 
I'll put it "on the list". Bwahahahah

But interesting. The Concept set was an A2? Just a mag swap or something else?
 

Thank you! I've gone through the various JB articles on that poster's website and I gather it's an A2 version of the JB, possibly a limited edition model, or if it's custom shop then available as the TeleGib pickup. That's interesting - no idea where the previous owner would have got those as it's been in the UK for a good while and he didn't seem into pickups enough to be making custom orders. Will likely stay a mystery but fascinating read either way.
 
concept set was a2 bridge, a5 neck. the antiquity sticker is what makes me a little unsure of which it is.
 
Not sure the sticker is actually scratched out - I think that's Seymour's signature.

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It is kinda odd that prototype is separated into two words though.

Personally I love JBs for their lead tone.But I've never been able to get them to clean up well enough to suit me.
 
Not sure the sticker is actually scratched out - I think that's Seymour's signature.

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It is kinda odd that prototype is separated into two words though.

Personally I love JBs for their lead tone.But I've never been able to get them to clean up well enough to suit me.

FWIW my old "The JB Model" does clean up. That's what I immediately noticed and impressed me; which is where I formed my opinion that older ones were somehow 'different' from current production.
 
Yes, the scribling on the serial number is Seymours signature. Its a recent one, which are barely legible, short before MJ took over.

The serial does not follow the normal CS sequences, which show the year and week in the first 4 digits like 9405 for the 5th week in 1994. It says 7770 as maybe a projekt number or something similar.
 
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I do remember reading somewhere that an A2 JB was Seymour's favorite pickup, but don't remember where I read that so I can't vouch for it.
 
EDIT: Just found this post from Evan in 2004...

Re: Jb Prototype?

31 years ago, when Seymour was working with Jeff Beck to develop the pickups that eventually became the JB and the Jazz Model, he went through several prototypes that, while good-sounding pickups, didn't make the cut in the end. This is one of those designs.

It's only available in Japan where it's part of a limited edition run of 777 pieces.



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Our old friend DarthPhineas was convinced that the OP's pickup was a Japan-only offering and I recall something similar.

You can see another example of this pickup with the same "PROTO TYPE" label in the thread I linked to earlier:

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Here's a link to another one straight out of Japan on eBay: LINK


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FWIW my old "The JB Model" does clean up. That's what I immediately noticed and impressed me; which is where I formed my opinion that older ones were somehow 'different' from current production.

Perhaps A5 is just too powerful to clean up well in a wind this robust and A2 is the secret to better cleanup.
Or it might be something as simple as old ones having been wound on the Leesona.
It could also be that in this particular wind rough mags (or even the old smooth black ones) make more difference than one might expect.
Magnet/coil interactions aren't always 100% predictable; and sometimes the results haven't behaved as anticipated.

As with anything else tone-related, certain generalities apply but once the amp is cooking surprises can show up.

I removed my JBs fairly quickly after tryouts; they were a bit too hot compared to my other guitars. But I've read up some on JB swaps.
Of course the discussions are mostly about overall sound or loose lows; for many players cleanup isn't a priority.
Maybe I'll give A2 a try in one someday.

Interestingly, my older JBJ seems to be wound a tad lighter than the more recent ones: 15.7K vs 16.4K & 16.5K for two later versions.
It could just be variance in batches of wire, of course.
Yet I suspect the formula may have been tweaked a little at some point.
 
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