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Re: Anyone Here With Diezel Amp Experience?
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Anyone Here With Diezel Amp Experience?
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NecroPolo
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Re: Anyone Here With Diezel Amp Experience?
...well, I have, anyway. I used a RM50 in my studio and three modules (Top Boost, SL+, Modern) before the Diezel arrived. I use both of them for the very same thing: to EMULATE various amplifier tones when recording other guys who come to me and don't have decent amps. Before I did the very same with various little SansAmp stuff that were sold to get a Line6 PODxt that was sold to get the RM50 that was sold to get the Diezel. Having this one in the studio is a much better deal than keeping a Vox AC30, a Fender Twin, a Mesa Recto, a 5150, a bunch of Marshalls and so on.
IMO and experience all do the very same thing, they emulate tones with dedicated character, just on a different way and level of quality. There's no match for the Diezel considering flexibility, features and sonic quality.
How do you define the term "modeling", anyway? My definition is, if I run my signal through some new tricky analogue circuits or digital processing or I just scream through the butt of a donkey - and all three sound like a certain amplifier that has its own character and original circuits - that's modeling for me. :dunno:
...well, I have, anyway. I used a RM50 in my studio and three modules (Top Boost, SL+, Modern) before the Diezel arrived. I use both of them for the very same thing: to EMULATE various amplifier tones when recording other guys who come to me and don't have decent amps. Before I did the very same with various little SansAmp stuff that were sold to get a Line6 PODxt that was sold to get the RM50 that was sold to get the Diezel. Having this one in the studio is a much better deal than keeping a Vox AC30, a Fender Twin, a Mesa Recto, a 5150, a bunch of Marshalls and so on.
IMO and experience all do the very same thing, they emulate tones with dedicated character, just on a different way and level of quality. There's no match for the Diezel considering flexibility, features and sonic quality.
How do you define the term "modeling", anyway? My definition is, if I run my signal through some new tricky analogue circuits or digital processing or I just scream through the butt of a donkey - and all three sound like a certain amplifier that has its own character and original circuits - that's modeling for me. :dunno:
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Binnerscot
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Re: Anyone Here With Diezel Amp Experience?
Emulating a tube circuit with a tube circuit != modelling.....just about all modern amp circuits are derived from the Bassman circuit. So, most modern amps are modelling a Bassman? I don't think so.
Emulating a tube circuit with a tube circuit != modelling.....just about all modern amp circuits are derived from the Bassman circuit. So, most modern amps are modelling a Bassman? I don't think so.
jimmy
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Re: Anyone Here With Diezel Amp Experience?
I didn't like the Herbert, but I loved the VH4.
I don't know what else to say about the VH4 that other d00ds haven't said.
The Herbert just sounded like mud city to me. Although the cleans were amazing. I think it's that mid-cut control. You have to be careful with it. But at most settings, it still sounds like there are no mids. It has loads of saturation, but it doesn't have that raw tone like a Bogner does, knawwhatimsayin'?
I didn't like the Herbert, but I loved the VH4.
I don't know what else to say about the VH4 that other d00ds haven't said.
The Herbert just sounded like mud city to me. Although the cleans were amazing. I think it's that mid-cut control. You have to be careful with it. But at most settings, it still sounds like there are no mids. It has loads of saturation, but it doesn't have that raw tone like a Bogner does, knawwhatimsayin'?
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
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Re: Anyone Here With Diezel Amp Experience?
Like most else in this new world...it is too refined, too slick, as Hot Grits said it, too good.
It is like watching these old races with the old 500 two stroke beasts, and then going to the modern days of 4 stroke 800ccm MotoGp bikes, they go fast, they are tractioncontrolled, launchcontrol, mappings, sensors everywhere, easier to ride, more perfect tyres and all that, and has none of the spectacular sights of one of the old riders wrestling with that beastly 500 stroker, that would spit you off if you made a too grave a mistake...amps have gone the same way for a long time now, same with most other equipment for music....it has gotten polite and deeply dull...not bad or badsounding, just
not very fun or exciting for someone who had tried all that old noisy hard to use stuff...
Not bad amps...just very modern and refined.
Not raw in any way at all..
Like most else in this new world...it is too refined, too slick, as Hot Grits said it, too good.
It is like watching these old races with the old 500 two stroke beasts, and then going to the modern days of 4 stroke 800ccm MotoGp bikes, they go fast, they are tractioncontrolled, launchcontrol, mappings, sensors everywhere, easier to ride, more perfect tyres and all that, and has none of the spectacular sights of one of the old riders wrestling with that beastly 500 stroker, that would spit you off if you made a too grave a mistake...amps have gone the same way for a long time now, same with most other equipment for music....it has gotten polite and deeply dull...not bad or badsounding, just
not very fun or exciting for someone who had tried all that old noisy hard to use stuff...
Not bad amps...just very modern and refined.
Not raw in any way at all..
NecroPolo
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Re: Anyone Here With Diezel Amp Experience?
You're missing my point. It's not square or round. Of course they aren't modelling the Bassman. They use the same great base circuit and create different tonal character from the Bassman. It's just like wheels. A Yugo is not an emulation of a Mustang.
Of course RM amps are great on their own but they are not character amps by any mean. My Top Boost module sounded much like an AC30 and the SL+ sounded much like a really nice Marshall. What do these modules do if not an accurate emulation of existing sounds? I call that modelling... :dunno:
The Diezel VH4 is just like that and according to my experience the MTS modular system has the same philosophy, using different (and very clever) technology. It's flexible like hell, great to produce tone characters of classic amplifiers and has lots of options.
You're missing my point. It's not square or round. Of course they aren't modelling the Bassman. They use the same great base circuit and create different tonal character from the Bassman. It's just like wheels. A Yugo is not an emulation of a Mustang.
Of course RM amps are great on their own but they are not character amps by any mean. My Top Boost module sounded much like an AC30 and the SL+ sounded much like a really nice Marshall. What do these modules do if not an accurate emulation of existing sounds? I call that modelling... :dunno:
The Diezel VH4 is just like that and according to my experience the MTS modular system has the same philosophy, using different (and very clever) technology. It's flexible like hell, great to produce tone characters of classic amplifiers and has lots of options.
alex1fly
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Re: Anyone Here With Diezel Amp Experience?
When you think you've heard it all... :biglaugh:
When you think you've heard it all... :biglaugh:
sosomething
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Re: Anyone Here With Diezel Amp Experience?
Kind of like how whether I'm moving in rhythm to music, or sleeping, or driving a car - I call it "walking."
:smack:
Modeling is an industry term that describes a specific thing - it has a specific meaning. In the industry it's used to describe the digital emulation of other physical (usually analog) audio equipment.
Calling a Randall RM series - or worse - a Diezel VH4 a "modeling amp" is a misuse of the term, despite how someone (you, for example) my want to interpret it.
For further clarification, I might consult the folks at guitarampmodeling.com.
Kind of like how whether I'm moving in rhythm to music, or sleeping, or driving a car - I call it "walking."
:smack:
Modeling is an industry term that describes a specific thing - it has a specific meaning. In the industry it's used to describe the digital emulation of other physical (usually analog) audio equipment.
Calling a Randall RM series - or worse - a Diezel VH4 a "modeling amp" is a misuse of the term, despite how someone (you, for example) my want to interpret it.
For further clarification, I might consult the folks at guitarampmodeling.com.
NecroPolo
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Re: Anyone Here With Diezel Amp Experience?
Man I can see now. :smack: :smack: :smack:
You English speaking folks use the term "modeling' only for digital processing units. I did not understand why forummates kept saying that a flexible character amp is not a modeling amp. We here call all digital and analogue emulation stuff "modeling", even the RM with tubes :smack:
Sorry for the mess, guys! The only digital stuff in VH4 is the MIDI system, it has no digital processing in the signal flow! :smack:
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Kind of like how whether I'm moving in rhythm to music, or sleeping, or driving a car - I call it "walking."
:smack:
Modeling is an industry term that describes a specific thing - it has a specific meaning. In the industry it's used to describe the digital emulation of other physical (usually analog) audio equipment.
Calling a Randall RM series - or worse - a Diezel VH4 a "modeling amp" is a misuse of the term, despite how someone (you, for example) my want to interpret it.
For further clarification, I might consult the folks at guitarampmodeling.com.
Man I can see now. :smack: :smack: :smack:
You English speaking folks use the term "modeling' only for digital processing units. I did not understand why forummates kept saying that a flexible character amp is not a modeling amp. We here call all digital and analogue emulation stuff "modeling", even the RM with tubes :smack:
Sorry for the mess, guys! The only digital stuff in VH4 is the MIDI system, it has no digital processing in the signal flow! :smack:
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Binnerscot
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Re: Anyone Here With Diezel Amp Experience?
I'll have to take down the B.S. flag! Yes, "modelling" has a specific use in English when referring to guitar amplifiers. I hope we weren't too harsh, considering the language barrier.
I'll have to take down the B.S. flag! Yes, "modelling" has a specific use in English when referring to guitar amplifiers. I hope we weren't too harsh, considering the language barrier.
Pink Unicorn Horsey
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Re: Anyone Here With Diezel Amp Experience?
We Americans spell "modeling" with one "l."
I just want to be part of the fun.
We Americans spell "modeling" with one "l."
I just want to be part of the fun.
Binnerscot
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Re: Anyone Here With Diezel Amp Experience?
:smack: Just because I am a big dog IT guy doesn't mean I can type.....:laugh2:
We Americans spell "modeling" with one "l."
I just want to be part of the fun.
:smack: Just because I am a big dog IT guy doesn't mean I can type.....:laugh2:
Pink Unicorn Horsey
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Re: Anyone Here With Diezel Amp Experience?
I think I'm the only guy in my IT department who has a copy of The Chicago Manual of Style on his desk.
I think I'm the only guy in my IT department who has a copy of The Chicago Manual of Style on his desk.
NecroPolo
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Re: Anyone Here With Diezel Amp Experience?
Nope, bro' I just did not understand why you don't undertand :laugh2:
Sorry for all the over-explanation!
Cheers, y'all
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Nope, bro'
I just did not understand why you don't undertand :laugh2:Sorry for all the over-explanation!
Cheers, y'all
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Binnerscot
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Re: Anyone Here With Diezel Amp Experience?
I have a bunch of those types of manuals from university classes, but they don't have command lines in them.:cussing:
I have a bunch of those types of manuals from university classes, but they don't have command lines in them.:cussing:
sosomething
Seymour Duncan Customer Support
Re: Anyone Here With Diezel Amp Experience?
No problem at all! Cheers.
Nope, bro'
Sorry for all the over-explanation!
Cheers, y'all
:beerchug:
No problem at all! Cheers.
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