Anyone tried gigging the SV20H?

[Demanic]

Those SV's are SUPER loud. Louder than a Tiny Terror for sure. Especially since the last thing you want out of those is like a modern tight but chest-thumping low-end.

Don't expect cleans, though.

I always want a modern tight chest thumping low end.

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[NegativeEase]

Tell me what your goal is and what circuit you are looking to replicate, and I can build you an amp that SLAYS. It won't be cheaper than buying a Marshall or other available model though, but it will be an amp made to your desire

That being said, there is always the reality check. You can't get a 20-watt amp to stay as clean as a 50-watt would, at the volume a 50-watt will do it. You can get it close, but it won't have the same feel or punch.

I prefer cathode-biased amp feel and response, with no feedback loops, but fixed bias amps with a feedback loop are going to be louder while still being clean, but they do lose that touch and feel in my opinion.

So you are going to be more suited to looking for an amp that has both fixed bias and a feedback loop. The SV20 is cathode-biased, but it does have a feedback loop. So it won't quite have the level that a fixed bias version of it would. The SV20 is pretty much a Marshall 1987 that is cathode biased.

Is this addressed to me? I don't need anything really, I had the SV20 and SC20 -and neither were quite as good as my JMP 2203, JCM 2203, JCM2210 or especially my 2204 or maybe even my weird ass JCM 900 4102 -nor was either quite loud enough -just a touch more volume and I'd been pleased and keep the SC20 - but I liked both amps a lot -I was just saying I think that same smaller form factor but slightly louder amp with those features (Size, FX Loop, 5W, etc etc) would be a winner from Marshall IMO

But there are so many smaller amp companies making great JTM45s, 1959s, and 2203s in combos and smaller heads -that if I wanted to solve this problem for me, I'd make one or buy from a little guy like someone as yourself since Marshall doesnt make this right now.

For the OP, though, As long as it's enough amp for the type of band and venues you are doing -I think both the SV20 and SC20 are winners as amps.

 

[Ewizard]

Not you specifically, it was shotgunned.

I think many companies that are CE, ROHS, and certified for international trade, are tending towards PCB, corner cutting, and or literally copy and paste designs without real thought. 65amps is one example where they truly cut some weird corners. Great amps, it is just where the corners are cut that drags them down. Morgan amps, for example, has some odd, overlooked design issues that should not be in an amp sold to the public, and to boot, they are not made the way they used to be. Bogner, Friedman, et all, are all great amps but are starting to be made to a price point. Ever since the majority of the once " Boutique " names went to Boutique Amp Distribution, they oddly enough are no longer " Boutique ". They are not made in any way shape or form as a boutique amp would be made. And because a distributor now has much of the production being done overseas, the quality has dropped, and weird design flaws slip through the gaps.

I think the true " Boutique " guys are simply slaying it right now. You can't get a better amp at any better of a price than you can from a dude like me can produce. Ashen, Acorn, Eddie Wang, Benson, Hot Baby Octopus, Soul Tramp Amps, and Roccaforte are just a few that are actually made by some dude in his garage or small shop making the things 100% by hand one amp at a time.

 

[NegativeEase]

Not you specifically, it was shotgunned.

I think many companies that are CE, ROHS, and certified for international trade, are tending towards PCB, corner cutting, and or literally copy and paste designs without real thought. 65amps is one example where they truly cut some weird corners. Great amps, it is just where the corners are cut that drags them down. Morgan amps, for example, has some odd, overlooked design issues that should not be in an amp sold to the public, and to boot, they are not made the way they used to be. Bogner, Friedman, et all, are all great amps but are starting to be made to a price point. Ever since the majority of the once " Boutique " names went to Boutique Amp Distribution, they oddly enough are no longer " Boutique ". They are not made in any way shape or form as a boutique amp would be made. And because a distributor now has much of the production being done overseas, the quality has dropped, and weird design flaws slip through the gaps.

I think the true " Boutique " guys are simply slaying it right now. You can't get a better amp at any better of a price than you can from a dude like me can produce. Ashen, Acorn, Eddie Wang, Benson, Hot Baby Octopus, Soul Tramp Amps, and Roccaforte are just a few that are actually made by some dude in his garage or small shop making the things 100% by hand one amp at a time.

Yeah, I use a lot of Acorn gear -Love me some Travis and Andrew

Agree with your assessment and always appreciate your knowledge sir.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

I always want a modern tight chest thumping low end.

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I do as well. But for old school VH, a Marshall on 10 is kinda the way to go. And kinda hard to achieve with100W heads for the gigs we're all here playing, even if your variac'ing down.

But if you want a modern tight chest thumping low end, and you need it at metal band volume levels, a 20W is not the way to go. Marshall or otherwise.

 

[Cynical]

Bogner, Friedman, et all, are all great amps but are starting to be made to a price point. Ever since the majority of the once " Boutique " names went to Boutique Amp Distribution, they oddly enough are no longer " Boutique ". They are not made in any way shape or form as a boutique amp would be made. And because a distributor now has much of the production being done overseas, the quality has dropped, and weird design flaws slip through the gaps.

FWIW, the full-sized Bogners don't belong in this list -- they're still being made by Jorg and Reinhold in their shop, not being outsourced to BAD or similar companies (the smaller ones are outsourced to other companies, though).

 

[Ewizard]

I'm not sure I agree with that. They still use PCB-based designs even if they are hand stuffed and wired. And let's not forget, he has distribution deals, with lines made overseas. He is no longer Boutique, he is eccentric and can peacock unlike anyone else, but his level of fame has outgrown what allows him to remain boutique. That has nothing to do with how good his amps are. If someone says Bogner, they know exactly who you are talking about. If I say Acorn, most people will have to Google it. If I say Legacy Amplification, only some people in and around the Santa Barbara area would know who that is.

Matchless used to be boutique, now it is a household name that is making amps with PCB's. When an amp has an ROHS, CE, UL, or other certification that makes it eligible for international trade, you have outgrown boutique, you have gone to ubiquity. Dr. Z is BARELY hanging onto what I consider boutique. He is UL and CE listed, but at least his stuff is made one at a time in a small shop. He is literally one step away from being like the rest, by either taking a distribution deal, or by finding a way to cut his margins ( PCB, or mechanization ). Razors edge he is riding to maintain true boutique standards.

 

[Ascension]

For anyone who has played/owned the Marshall 20w plexi, has it held up to rehearsal and gigging volume? Particularly with a 2x12.

I've heard it's loud for bedroom playing but also not loud enough for gigging, so what gives?

Also what speakers did you use with it... greenbacks, the V series that Marshall put in the matching cab?

Haven't gigged one but did play one side by side with a PRS HRDX 20. Both are plenty loud for a normal gig. Might want to consider the PRS also as side by side thought it was the much better sounding amp. Surprised the heck out of me.