Anyone tried the EMG GTV?

Rex_Rocker

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It is offered as a set, but it looks like the set comes with two of the same pickup, right? So has anyone tried it?

I'm looking for a slightly beefier 81 that's not as over-the-top hot as the Het or as weak as the 81TW. Is the GTV what I should be looking at?
 
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Both GTV pickups in the set are the same. They have the same output as the 81. The GTV is a little thicker sounding in the midrange and fuller in the highs than the 81, but they are very close tonally. I liked the GTV, but went back to the regular 81 for its added edge. Choosing between them would come down to the particular guitar for me...if my guitar was brighter or thinner by default, I'd opt for the GTV.

You might also consider an 85X model or a 57/66 set if you want to stay EMG and beef up the sound, but gain some breathing room in terms of output.
 
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Thanks!

The EMG 57/66 set is definitely something I want to try. I've read the 57 is actually much hotter than the 81 (like the Het). Has this been your experience?

I currently have the EMG 85 in the bridge position of the guitar I'm asking about the GTV's for, but it's a little too much. The 81 was better, so I'm flipping the set again next string change, but I still want something closer to the 81 but beefier. This guitar is a thick all-mahogany PRS SE singlecut, but for some reason, it's much brighter with much more attack and slightly less lower-mids than my LTD EC (in which I prefer the 81 in the bridge undoubtedly).
 
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The Het is easily the "hottest" of the bunch. The 57's output is very similar to the 81, but it has less compression, a warmer voicing and dynamics are more on par with the Het set in terms of feel and response.

If you want lower actual output, you need to check out the "X" series
 
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If you want lower actual output, you need to check out the "X" series
Oh, no, I don't want lower output. I have tried the X series in the past (just the 81X and 60X, though, never the 85X). The standard 81's output is fine. It's the Het that's too over-the-top for me.

Thanks, man.
 
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If you want lower actual output, you need to check out the "X" series
I've no clue where you got this idea. The X pickups have around 20% more output on a full strum than the older versions, and for single notes they're the same give-or-take an indistinguishable amount.

There are simply lower-output active EMG humbucker models, such as the 58, 60, and 60A, all available in plain or X versions. If anybody ever wants a lower-output active humbucker, those are the ones to go for.

Of course you can also simply lower the height of any other pickup; active pickups are particularly sensitive to height and their output can drop like a rock or double if you move them just a millimetre or so further from or to the strings. As a general rule the 58, 60A, and all single coil winds are the most height-sensitive; the 60, '66, '57, Hot '70, '77 and 85 are slightly more consistent; and the 81 winds are the most consistent in terms of response at further and nearer distances from the strings. Regular or X doesn't seem to make much difference. Of course the material, size and age of the strings also matters greatly, as does your picking/strumming, so some EMGs might seem more or less sensitive to height depending on those.

In terms of raw output, the 81X is still the most powerful of any EMG active humbucker. The '57, Het, 85 and 85X all 'feel' hotter because they pack more in the mids, especially low-mids, giving you more of a 'thump', but their actual total output across the whole frequency range is lower than the 81X.

The GTV set is basically a couple of 81s that have had the highest frequency peak shifted down a little. The difference is very minimal in practice and is mostly overstated by the marketing fluff. EMG will tell you they had the low-mids reduced slightly too, to keep the wound strings clearer and less compressed-sounding, but I went back-and-forth with them in the same guitar (same strings, same everything; easy testing is the real beauty of the quick solderless connection system) and I couldn't hear any change in the lows. To take my own advice, it could have been I had them at a less-optimal distance from the strings or maybe it's just my strumming style, but they really just sounded like 81s with the tone control rolled back a touch. I didn't keep them for long enough to check the output properly but it didn't sound any louder or quieter than the 81, from what I recall.

If you want a 'beefier' 81 without much of a difference in output or feel then I'd really suggest moving up half a string gauge, or at least going up on the wound strings, and then just raising the 81 slightly. The Het will give you that EQ shift, but with a louder feel. (Again, technically not more output, but more mids = more perceived volume even if the bass and treble drops.) There's also the SPC which can dial in a little extra thickness for you without changing the output much, if you keep it around 30-40%.
 
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60 lower outpt than what? Most popular EMG actives have the same output. 81 (supposedly super hot) and 60 are on the same level.
The 85 though destroys the 81 anytime. I had to swap the 81 to the neck and raise it just to balance with the 85 in the bridge, plus less noise in the bridge position, so its better this way.
 
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60 lower outpt than what? Most popular EMG actives have the same output. 81 (supposedly super hot) and 60 are on the same level.
The 85 though destroys the 81 anytime. I had to swap the 81 to the neck and raise it just to balance with the 85 in the bridge, plus less noise in the bridge position, so its better this way.

He's talking about RMS output rather than perceived. An 85 sounds louder than an 81 because it has more mids, while the RMS voltage output is slightly lower.
 
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He's talking about RMS output rather than perceived. An 85 sounds louder than an 81 because it has more mids, while the RMS voltage output is slightly lower.

3.10 is slightly lower than 3.00? or 4.50 than 4.50 . On paper 85 is marginally hotter than 81, in reality .... it is much much hotter. There is a PDF by EMG with all the specs. According to my own experiences with my EMGS :
- best sounding bridge pup : 85
- best soundung neck pup : 60
- most noisy pup : 81
- most indifferent pup : 81
- best jazzy bridge/neck combo : 81/60 (here 81 wins, dont know why)
 
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3.10 is slightly lower than 3.00? or 4.50 than 4.50 . On paper 85 is marginally hotter than 81, in reality .... it is much much hotter. There is a PDF by EMG with all the specs. According to my own experiences with my EMGS :
- best sounding bridge pup : 85
- best soundung neck pup : 60
- most noisy pup : 81
- most indifferent pup : 81
- best jazzy bridge/neck combo : 81/60 (here 81 wins, dont know why)

I've seen actual printed documentation from EMG that stated RMS output of the EMG-81 at 3.5V, while the 85 was 3.0V. I quit using them almost 20 years ago, and that paper documentation was at least that old. The specs have changed several times over the years, so I don't doubt that your information supersedes what I knew.
 
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Thank you all for the replies.

The 85 though destroys the 81 anytime. I had to swap the 81 to the neck and raise it just to balance with the 85 in the bridge, plus less noise in the bridge position, so its better this way.
FWIW, while I agree, and I do find the 85 slightly hotter than the 81, I don't find it difficult to balance the 81 in the bridge and the 85 in the neck, personally. Just lower the 85 a tad. Then again, I'm not one of those dudes that likes a hot distortion-class bridge pickup paired with a PAF-type in the neck. I don't like my neck pickups underpowered.

That's output-wise, though. Tonally, the difference between the bright 81 in the bridge and the dark 85 in the neck is pretty radical, I agree. I only really like how the 81B/85N combo works if I'm only using the 85 for weedly weedly stuff high up the fretboard and not much else.

I keep going back and forth between the 81 and the 85 in the bridge. There's things I like (and dislike) about both. I like the 81's bite, but I wish it had a tad more low-end. I like the 85's chunkiness, but I wish it wasn't as dark and stuffy in the low mids. The 81 might sound a bit thin and bland in the room, but it records great. The 85 might sound fat and full in the room, but it's harder to get it to sit in a mix. I like the 81 through my unboosted EVH, but I also like the 85 through my boosted Krank. I play my EVH more, though, so that's why I'm asking about the GTV which I suspect is closer to the 81, just fatter.

I think we already had the discussion with masta' c about which is hotter. My experience is that the 85 is indeed a tiny bit more robust not just in perceived output (contrary to what EMG states), especially once you 18V mod them and get past the preamp's brickwall, but I can do with the 81 as well just fine. Neither even comes close to the JH-B, though. That has just been my experience.

I've no clue where you got this idea. The X pickups have around 20% more output on a full strum than the older versions, and for single notes they're the same give-or-take an indistinguishable amount.
They technically have more output on a full strum because their preamp has more headroom, so they don't clip. Whenever the preamp is not clipping, I did notice they are definitely tamer. It has been a while since I had the 81X/60X set, but I do remember swapping them out for a regular pair of 81/60, and finding the X series just felt like an 18V-modded regular set with the volume knob knocked down a tad. JME.

On a side note, how do you guys think the GTV compares to the Bone Breaker Bridge? I've tread the BB's are slightly beefier than the regular 81/60A set they're modeled after.
 
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Is it just me or does the GTV actually sound slighty fatter than the 57 in this (7:13)?

That has got to be one of the worst shootout videos ever. Like 30 seconds worth of comparison in a nearly 10 minute video.
 
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Sounds very 81-ish. Forgot to add that I get better shred tones on standard 9V, more clipping = more distortion = easier legatos :)
 
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I've no clue where you got this idea. The X pickups have around 20% more output on a full strum than the older versions, and for single notes they're the same give-or-take an indistinguishable amount.

I had the same experience as Rex...

They technically have more output on a full strum because their preamp has more headroom, so they don't clip. Whenever the preamp is not clipping, I did notice they are definitely tamer. It has been a while since I had the 81X/60X set, but I do remember swapping them out for a regular pair of 81/60, and finding the X series just felt like an 18V-modded regular set with the volume knob knocked down a tad. JME.

As for this...

On a side note, how do you guys think the GTV compares to the Bone Breaker Bridge? I've tread the BB's are slightly beefier than the regular 81/60A set they're modeled after.

The Bonebreakers are the exact same pickups as the regular 81/60A, just with a different logo color and labeled as a "signature" set much like the Zack Wylde and Kerry King sets, which are just their preferred combos of the regular models. Source: Confirmed with EMG directly.
 
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The Bonebreakers are the exact same pickups as the regular 81/60A, just with a different logo color and labeled as a "signature" set much like the Zack Wylde and Kerry King sets, which are just their preferred combos of the regular models. Source: Confirmed with EMG directly.
Really? That sucks.
 
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Yup. Just an easy way to buy an 81/60A set as a pair, rather than separate. Nothing special, although that DOES make a solid combination!
 
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Yup. Just an easy way to buy an 81/60A set as a pair, rather than separate. Nothing special, although that DOES make a solid combination!
Yeah, I don't doubt it's a rad combo. I'm still really curious about trying a 60A, but if the bridge pickup is just an 81, then I'm probably better off with the GTV's for what I want. :)
 
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