Anyway to mellow the high end on the Peavey Windsor?

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I took the cover off the Angus young signature (TERRIBLE IDEA) and now the harsh high end on the Windsor is really come out. Is there any way other than cranking the bass (because it is already at 12!!) that might mellow out the treble? Maybe a power tube switch? Something around those lines.
 
Re: Anyway to mellow the high end on the Peavey Windsor?

If you want to change tubes: JJs are the ballsy gainy ones.... other ways: lower the pick up a bit, get an eq stompbox, the 6 band MXR is cheap and good....
 
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More bass is not going to equal less treble so I don't really see that helping you. If the treble knob is not helping I'd say drape something over the speaker(s) to tame the highs. A pillowcase might be a good place to start. Or just point the amp away from you.

I take it you can't put the pup back the way it was?
 
Re: Anyway to mellow the high end on the Peavey Windsor?

The stock pre's are trashy sounding what are you running for tubes? Run the lo input, sounds way better IMO. What do you have the treble, presence and resonance set at?
 
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I just sold mine used it for 3 years solid and never experienced harsh highs. I know the MY pickup is spiky, why not throw the cover back on?
 
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how are the presence knob and the A/AB texture knob set? With the presence low and the texture set all the way at AB, it should sound OK.

I agree that JJ's, at least in the preamp, should make a big difference.
 
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It is the Combo verse so there is no presence or resonance. I have the eq right now
Pre-amp:6
Bass:12
Mids:10
Treble:6
Reverb:0-1
Master Volume:8
Boost is off and in high output.
 
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Wattage said:
I just sold mine used it for 3 years solid and never experienced harsh highs. I know the MY pickup is spiky, why not throw the cover back on?
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I am going to most likely do that duing the next string change. I also change strings from EB Regular Slinky (.010-.046) to EB RPS Hybrid (.009-.046) because the intonation was off.
 
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Also the tubes and speaker are the stock. 12AX7 in the Pre-amp, EL34 in the Power-amp and a Peavey Blue Marvel speaker.
 
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Not familiar with the combo at all sorry. What are the stock tubes? I hate JJ's, not saying they can't sound good but they've never worked for me, always sound boxy as hell to me. The Blue Marvel speaker is an unknown for me as well.

Leaving your amp as is does dialing the guitars tone knob back help you get closer to what you want?
 
Re: Anyway to mellow the high end on the Peavey Windsor?

I've played the combo a few times.
put in a G12H-30 if you want a more "classic rock" kind of crunch that still has enough treble to get bright if you want.
An eminence private jack is supposed to be a nice, warm, vintage voiced speaker. They're cheap compared to new celestions, too.

The stock tubes are probably chinese, or sovteks, maybe sovtek "wa" or "wb"
Try a tung sol. Tungsols are pretty balanced.
I'd change that speaker first.
 
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FuseG4 said:
I've played the combo a few times.
put in a G12H-30 if you want a more "classic rock" kind of crunch that still has enough treble to get bright if you want.
An eminence private jack is supposed to be a nice, warm, vintage voiced speaker. They're cheap compared to new celestions, too.

The stock tubes are probably chinese, or sovteks, maybe sovtek "wa" or "wb"
Try a tung sol. Tungsols are pretty balanced.
I'd change that speaker first.
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Just looked it up. the Power-amp tubes are Sovtek and the Pre-amp are JJ. What exactly were you saying in your first post about JJ tubes? Were you saying that they would be good or bad for classic rock stuff?
 
Re: Anyway to mellow the high end on the Peavey Windsor?

FuseG4 said:
I've played the combo a few times.
put in a G12H-30 if you want a more "classic rock" kind of crunch that still has enough treble to get bright if you want.
An eminence private jack is supposed to be a nice, warm, vintage voiced speaker. They're cheap compared to new celestions, too.

The stock tubes are probably chinese, or sovteks, maybe sovtek "wa" or "wb"
Try a tung sol. Tungsols are pretty balanced.
I'd change that speaker first.
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Just looked it up. the Power-amp tubes are Sovtek and the Pre-amp are JJ. What exactly were you saying in your first post about JJ tubes? Were you saying that they would be good or bad for classic rock stuff?
 
Re: Anyway to mellow the high end on the Peavey Windsor?

JJ's warm up generally but I find sometimes they are a bit thin in the highs in some amps. I prefer Tung Sols although to me they sound a lil glassier then JJs. I think speaker change is your best bet and then tubes.
If you cant afford celestion or eminence give a look at WGS.
 
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James Rock said:
JJ's warm up generally but I find sometimes they are a bit thin in the highs in some amps. I prefer Tung Sols although to me they sound a lil glassier then JJs. I think speaker change is your best bet and then tubes.
If you cant afford celestion or eminence give a look at WGS.
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Thanks, I'll look into getting that celestion.
 
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LedSabbath said:
Just looked it up. the Power-amp tubes are Sovtek and the Pre-amp are JJ. What exactly were you saying in your first post about JJ tubes? Were you saying that they would be good or bad for classic rock stuff?
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normally I assume that an amp comes stock with something other than JJs, in which case throwing in JJs tends to back off the presence of the amp a little. JJs are fine for most amps for most types of music, so long as you don't miss that little bit of extra definition in the treble.

But since you're already rocking JJs, I'd say the speaker is absolutely the next thing to look at.

You might want to get a different EL34 somewhere down the road, but a speaker will make a bigger difference. The Svetlana EL34 sounds really thick, and they are the tubes that come stock in most EL34 marshalls these days.
 
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Re-cap that pup, ditch the JJ's, get Tung Sols in and run the low input
 
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celestion g12t75 is the bomb. The peavey windsor is an attempt to capture the sound of the marshall jcm 800s etc, and the stock marshall speakers of that era was the g12t75. Most of the combos and quads had them in there. Fat bottom and smooth tops. These speakers are plentiful and not expensive. Grab one second hand. If it does not fit the bill perfectly, then you can always resell it for waht you paid. These things are big sounding crunch machines.
Also - dont just crank the bass or mnids on your amp heres why:
The Mid control on most 3 band parametrics really lifts all 3 parts of the spectrum. Its kind of a base line for all of them. The treb and bass will increase as you turn them up but only above the mean line created by the mids.
For example - if your treb and bass are on 0 and your mids are on 5, then all 3 are really on 5, you dig? If the mids are on 10 then all three will be up pretty high. A big turn of the treble or bass knobs at that stage will only add a little. You will not get less treb at that stage by dropping it down to 0. However if say the mid is set at one or two, then the treb and bass knobs will be much more sensetive. In short...all three are interconnected.
Try this...
set your gain where you like it and your master.
Start with all eqs at zero.
Turn presence down to zero also.
slowly turn up the mids as you play until you can hear some body in your tone. Lets say they are areound fiveish maybe.
Then slowly turn up the bass. You will find that there is a point that turning the bass past a certain point will not give you any extra bottom end. Dont turn it up past that point.
keep playing.
Now up the treb until you can hear its voice - it may be plenty as low as 2 or 3. But use your ears - thats the main thing. Wherever you like it, turn it back by one....
Then adjust the presence. Presence is very much dependent on the room you are playing, so you will have to readjust it wherever you play.
That is a good way to get a fat smooth sound. If that wont do the job, then yeah...you need either different speakers or a different amp.
Bear in mind that big tube amps like that get fatter as you crank the power tubes, so you may have to eq the presence and treb again when you do that.
good luck
 
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the windsor *studio* which the OP has is a different amp. It's not a combo version of the head.
his is a single-ended ~20W EL34 amp with no presence control (it has no negative feedback circuit at all, actually.)
Other than that, the speaker and EQ suggestions are great.
 
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