Are Marshall amps less relevant than WE think they are?

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I started playing in the late 80s, and of course everything was about Marshall amplification. In fact, it seems like everything from 60s through early 90s rock, Marshall was the dominant and influential tone maker.

In the 90s I was into shred/fusion/jazz and really only listened peripherally to Nu Metal (Creed, Nickleback, etc). All those pop metal bands were using Mesa Rectos.

My own personal perspective until a couple days ago was that Marshall was *always* the dominant player in rock/metal, but I'm digging into those 90s/00s bands a little more, as they were the last rock bands before modern pop and black music (rap, R&B) took over the airwaves. All those bands were playing Mesas before rock died.

Over the past 20 years, Mesa seems to have had more of a foothold in the metal scene, which is perhaps the last bastion of new guitar music. Its entirely possible that Marshall hasn't been the dominant brand of stage amplification since the 80s. New guitarists coming up, are probably more likely to believe that a standard guitar amp has a diamond treadplate and not golden plexi faceplate.

How far has Marshall fallen in guitar music? I know the DSL and JVM series are somewhat popular, but was Marshall replaced by Mesa as the dominant brand in the minds of guitarists? Its completely possible that you have to be 50+ years old to carry the belief that its always been about Marshall. IOW, I wouldn't be entirely surprised to learn that Marshall wasn't the number 1, or even number two/three manufacturer.
 
I think the Marshall sound seems to be always relevant in most every popular style of music since it's invention, but the ways to get that sound now have made it not necessary to have an actual Marshall. In addition, a lot of other smaller, odd, boutique amps have taken their place along side that sound as different bands come along with different styles of music and rigs to support it.

I kind of see Mesa as a Fender+Marshall replacement. It's able to get that sound and more, so why have to lug just a Marshall around when with a Mesa you can get that sound plus a number of others on demand. I don't know if Mesa has supplanted Marshall. I don't know the numbers. Superficially I think I still see more Marshall than Mesa, and in the past 5+ years I've seen way more Orange than Mesa. But it could also depend on the bands you listen to most.
 
I do think as guitarists expand out of hard rock and metal, they need new tools.
 
Cool pic. Your room is so clean, you ever consider putting new grille cloth on that cab?

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Mesa amps are ridiculously overpriced in Europe, so they are few and far between around these parts.
 
I have a buddy who swears by Marshall. It's his sound, and it is. He makes great use of it.
Same can be said by people who love Mesa, Vox, Orange etc. If it works, it works.
I've always wanted more than one spice in my cabinet, so to speak. And I don't want to sound just like anyone else, no matter how good of a sound that it may be.

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Are the thousands of threads made yearly on forums predicting Marshall's demise less relevant than we think also?

If anything, Marshall's demise is most other amp companies copying them and diluting their "thing". -which in fairness is a hot-rodded Fender Bassman :)
 
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I think we often forget that Bogner's, Friedman's, Top Hat's, Splawns, Soldano's, and many more are essentially modified Marshall circuits. Marshall amps are probably still to this day the backbone upon which most prominent guitar brands stand upon. There are a few that have gone a different direction such as Diamond, Revv, Engl, and Diezel who are most akin to the Mesa topology of cascaded gain stages. Mesa, if you will, more or less took a Fender and started adding more gain stages and making things more complicated yet versatile. Marshall went the other way, keeping things fairly simple and centered around its origins. In terms of popular amp designs, they tend to be an amalgamation of those two topologies mixed around and modified a bit.
 
I've considered getting one of the DSL40 combos, just for that sound, but I have more amps than I can play already.

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Also, once you get a Line 6 Spidervalve -do you really need any other amps at all? :D
Well, no, not really.
Which is why I haven't gotten one.
And the Picovalve with a 6CA7 tends to sound pretty Marshally at low volume. 5 watts into an efficient cab/speaker tends to fill a room at bedroom volume. And it sounds good.
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Well, no, not really.
Which is why I haven't gotten one.
And the Picovalve with a 6CA7 tends to sound pretty Marshally at low volume. 5 watts into an efficient cab/speaker tends to fill a room at bedroom volume. And it sounds good.
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Damn, I keep forgetting which Line 6 joke to make. apologies.
 
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