Marshall Mode Four

There is an emulated out on the back of the amp too, that's supposed to be really good for recording.
I've never used it, but I have read a lot of forum reviews about it.
 
There is an emulated out on the back of the amp too, that's supposed to be really good for recording.
I've never used it, but I have read a lot of forum reviews about it.
I remember trying it. I thought it sounded like an analog emulation of a speaker. It was as good as it can be, I guess. I'd still rather use IR's, personally.
 
I'm sure IRs have come a long way since they designed that port on that amp way back when ha ha ha.

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They sound their absolute best IMO when you have the power amp sound in there before the IR, either with a loadbox that has a line out like the two notes torpedo captor or at least a slave out situation after the power amp, before the output transformer like the Mesa Boogie slave out of the XLR out on my Fender “The Twin” which is amazingly useful running things either in front or into the fx return, then getting a balanced, post power-tube sound before the IRs.

The difference is so much more lively in a mix without requiring radical EQ changes. It’s similar to the difference between resistive load only vs reactive load. I mostly prefer my own speakers mic’d my way for any final product though I’ve been more open to blending in IRs, as long as most of the hi-mid information has a real speaker moving.
 
They sound their absolute best IMO when you have the power amp sound in there before the IR, either with a loadbox that has a line out like the two notes torpedo captor or at least a slave out situation after the power amp, before the output transformer like the Mesa Boogie slave out of the XLR out on my Fender “The Twin” which is amazingly useful running things either in front or into the fx return, then getting a balanced, post power-tube sound before the IRs.

The difference is so much more lively in a mix without requiring radical EQ changes. It’s similar to the difference between resistive load only vs reactive load. I mostly prefer my own speakers mic’d my way for any final product though I’ve been more open to blending in IRs, as long as most of the hi-mid information has a real speaker moving.
Depends on how the IR was captured. If the IR was captured including the poweramp coloration, then it might be a good idea to just plug the preamp out into the IR.

But that makes them more suceptible to what you plug into them. Those Catharsis IR's that were in fashion when the IR craze started in Metal were SUPER bassy if you plugged anything but a 5150 preamp in. On the other hand, if you tried pluggin in a 5150's preamp into an IR captured with a Rectifier's poweramp, it would come out sounding super thin an fizzy.

The current commercial IR's captured with more or less transparent poweramps do work better the way you mention, though. Many people complain about the Torpedo stuff not having a reactive load the way a real speaker behaves, though. Every loadbox sounds different too. None is 100% transparent.
 
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/376jt...sse024qm1&dl=0

I also found this super sloppy clip of my Mode Four and what the Tone Matrix knob did to the sound. This was the FX send into an IR. I didn't have a cab when I first got the Mode Four. I bought a 1960A later to with it.

Position 1 sounds like it has the most sub-lows. Position 2 sounds bright and aggressive, but kinda thin and harsh. Position 3 kinda sounds horrible like if you pushed the Tone Shift button on the DSL's/TSL's.

This leads me to belive what was really over-the-top as far as bass and treble goes is the MF's poweramp, since those clips do sound bassy and scooped, but not ridiculously so.
 
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Depends on how the IR was captured. If the IR was captured including the poweramp coloration, then it might be a good idea to just plug the preamp out into the IR.

But that makes them more suceptible to what you plug into them. Those Catharsis IR's that were in fashion when the IR craze started in Metal were SUPER bassy if you plugged anything but a 5150 preamp in. On the other hand, if you tried pluggin in a 5150's preamp into an IR captured with a Rectifier's poweramp, it would come out sounding super thin an fizzy.

The current commercial IR's captured with more or less transparent poweramps do work better the way you mention, though. Many people complain about the Torpedo stuff not having a reactive load the way a real speaker behaves, though. Every loadbox sounds different too. None is 100% transparent.
Yeah, I assumed the current standard of using a flat, probably class D power amp that imparts as little colouration as possible, otherwise they’re cripplingly overspecialised. It’s what turned me off IRs when they popped up in the mid 2000s. There just wanted any quality control yet and you just didn’t know what you were getting. I figured out convolution and started making my own pretty quickly. I still have some, the speaker setup from my band’s first album and a setup that virtually nails Fear Factory’s Obsolete tone.

I’ve never actually used the captor, I figured anything that lets you grab a line level post power amp with a reactive load would do the trick (doing it with resistive load sounds like there’s a blanket over it!) I also figured every reactive would sound a little different the same way every actual speaker would, Have they made IRs optimised for live sound for people who use some kind of IR loader on their pedalboard?

I’ve heard complaints that even analog speaker sims like what’s on the Power Stage sound more coherent in the FOH than the IRs which seem better suited for studio use and just wash out and get buried. Can’t really say myself, haven’t tried it!

I just listened to that Mode Four clip and I really like it! Is it straight in? Boosted? It reminds me of Prong’s Cleansing tone but even more Prong than Prong! The riff is a little bit like Who’s Fist. Has a bit of Arch Enemy Rise Of the Tyrant sound mixed in too. Can’t argue with that at all. Bad@ss.
 
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Yeah, I assumed the current standard of using a flat, probably class D power amp that imparts as little colouration as possible, otherwise they’re cripplingly overspecialised. It’s what turned me off IRs when they popped up in the mid 2000s. There just wanted any quality control yet and you just didn’t know what you were getting. I figured out convolution and started making my own pretty quickly. I still have some, the speaker setup from my band’s first album and a setup that virtually nails Fear Factory’s Obsolete tone.

I’ve never actually used the captor, I figured anything that lets you grab a line level post power amp with a reactive load would do the trick (doing it with resistive load sounds like there’s a blanket over it!) I also figured every reactive would sound a little different the same way every actual speaker would, Have they made IRs optimised for live sound for people who use some kind of IR loader on their pedalboard?

I’ve heard complaints that even analog speaker sims like what’s on the Power Stage sound more coherent in the FOH than the IRs which seem better suited for studio use and just wash out and get buried. Can’t really say myself, haven’t tried it!

I just listened to that Mode Four clip and I really like it! Is it straight in? Boosted? It reminds me of Prong’s Cleansing tone but even more Prong than Prong! The riff is a little bit like Who’s Fist. Has a bit of Arch Enemy Rise Of the Tyrant sound mixed in too. Can’t argue with that at all. Bad@ss.
The one on the OP or the one with the IR?

The first is Cloud Connected by In Flames, and then a couple of riffs from a friend's band (Hashem).

The second is Fixation on the Darkness by KSE.

But thank you! Both are boosted with an MXR Classic Overdrive set to GT-OD mode. That was my first TS-type I ever had.

Or do you mean 80's clip?
 
If you have time and patients, anyone can have a great sound with any amp .
Not really.

I don't think I could get a great Metal sound from a Jazz Chorus if I tried. At least not without pedals.

But now that I think about it, I don't think the Mode Four sounds good without a boost either. So there's that.

:lmao:
 
Honestly, not just with solid states, I just boost 99% of what I play.

It's only the EVH stuff or maybe some ENGL stuff that I like better unboosted.

Even if I love the EVH red channel, there's something really fun and satisfying about matching the right boost to the right amp.

Personally, what I just can't live with amps for Metal tones is open back cabs. I mean, it's OK for home practice if you put your little combo right against the wall. But for recording they just don't cut, IMO. Nor when playing with other people who are playing closed back cabs.
 
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Not really.

I don't think I could get a great Metal sound from a Jazz Chorus if I tried. At least not without pedals.

But now that I think about it, I don't think the Mode Four sounds good without a boost either. So there's that.

:lmao:

If you use an amp like the Roland Jazz Chorus for Metal, you have to pump in pedal in the amp .
That amp is really a pedal platform .
If you don't have a MIDI'fied pedalboard, you'll end up "tap dancing" to change channels from dirty to clean .
 
Even if you can get the nicest distortion pedal in front of a Jazz Chorus and you tweak it until you're happy, play it next to a real meal amp head into your 4x12 of choice, and I'm sure you'll be underwhelmed by the JC, tho.

With the exception of maybe if you're playind Swedish Death Metal and you're running an HM-2. But in that case, I'm sure the JC head into a 4x12 would sound much better than the combo.
 
I have a mode 4 cab I got for $50 with speakers and cleaned up. I run my Orange & Marshall heads through it and it's a monster and way way way more than I will ever really need.

BUT IT'S FUN!
 
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