Are TB models hotter than their SH equivalents?

[Rex_Rocker]

So I just got my TB-59 installed in the bridge of my Ibby. I've also got an SH-1b in my PRS SE Nick Catanese. The TB-59 measures 9K (!). The SH-1b measures the usual 8.2K.

Now, I know that DC resistance does not always equal output, and I know these are two different guitars I'm comparing, but the TB-59 is as loud as the PAF Pro it replaced, and well, PAF Pros are usually louder than '59's because of the hotter wind and oversized magnet (BTW, the PAF Pro also measures 9K). Also, I understand that TB's have a higher DCR reading because they physically house more copper because of the wider spacing even if they have the same number of turns.

So... not that I'm complaining, both guitars sound great, but is that you guys' experience as well with TB's compared to SH's? Just curious.

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Are TB models hotter than their SH equivalents?

TB's have a higher DCR reading because they physically house more copper because of the wider spacing even if they have the same number of turns.

Same number of turns, same output. End of story.

HTH,

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Re: Are TB models hotter than their SH equivalents?

Really? Has that been your experience?

I'm pretty sure I've read the inductance is also different depending if it is standard-spaced of trem-spaced. Surely that would have some effect on the output, no?

 

[darthphineas]

Re: Are TB models hotter than their SH equivalents?

The pole spacing is a little wider so it takes a little more wire. That's why you're seeing those readings.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Re: Are TB models hotter than their SH equivalents?

The pole spacing is a little wider so it takes a little more wire. That's why you're seeing those readings.

I'm aware, but surely that has some effect on the tone and/or output? Or not? What has been your experience?

 

[darthphineas]

Re: Are TB models hotter than their SH equivalents?

I'm aware, but surely that has some effect on the tone and/or output? Or not? What has been your experience?

Have you heard a song on the radio and been able to tell if the guitar had a certain pole spacing? I know that I've not.

 

[jeremy]

Re: Are TB models hotter than their SH equivalents?

There is usually a subtle tone difference between a trembucker and std spaced pup, but it's not enough for me to pick one over the other

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Re: Are TB models hotter than their SH equivalents?

Have you heard a song on the radio and been able to tell if the guitar had a certain pole spacing? I know that I've not.

Nah, me neither. But if no one cared about little details when recording the song, then probably the production isn't very good.

 

[darthphineas]

Re: Are TB models hotter than their SH equivalents?

Nah, me neither. But if no one cared about little details when recording the song, then probably the production isn't very good.

How so? How many albums have you engineered? Between the room, the mic placement, the board, etc....., nobody is hearing the mouse fart of a difference between the slightly longer wind. It's more likely to hear a difference in the playing from the player's fingers from a cold front moving in the night before.

 

[beaubrummels]

Re: Are TB models hotter than their SH equivalents?

I've used standard and trembuckers in the same Les Paul. The output isn't different.

 

[Silence Kid]

Re: Are TB models hotter than their SH equivalents?

The logical extreme is; would there be an output difference between a seven/eight string vs. six string (or one string) pickup?

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Are TB models hotter than their SH equivalents?

Really? Has that been your experience?

Yes.

I'm pretty sure I've read the inductance is also different depending if it is standard-spaced of trem-spaced.

You read? Really? What was your source and what did you understand from what you read, exactly?

Surely that would have some effect on the output, no?

Real, hands-on experience counting several dozen cases is consistent with a no.

 

[Mincer]

Re: Are TB models hotter than their SH equivalents?

I couldn't hear the difference. But others' ears are better than mine. I am sure you could rig up some scientific listening/playing rig and make some fancy charts with primary colors. But I am pretty sure I won't hear it.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Re: Are TB models hotter than their SH equivalents?

How so? How many albums have you engineered? Between the room, the mic placement, the board, etc....., nobody is hearing the mouse fart of a difference between the slightly longer wind. It's more likely to hear a difference in the playing from the player's fingers from a cold front moving in the night before.

Real, hands-on experience counting several dozen cases is consistent with a no.

Alright. I wasn't trying to discredit what you guys' were saying. Sorry if it came across like that.

So I guess I take it from this thread that there is no difference in output between trembuckers and standard-spaced humbuckers. I guess my sample was too small, and my comparison was too un-scientific.

 

[EAProwlerB]

Re: Are TB models hotter than their SH equivalents?

Same number of turns, same output. End of story.

HTH,

Incorrect: on a gross level if different material is used i.e: copper vs silver vs aluminium same same number of turns different outputs. If you study a little you will find other interesting aspects defeating this gross assumption of yours. I hope this is beneficial.

 

[Hank-]

Re: Are TB models hotter than their SH equivalents?

Incorrect: on a gross level if different material is used i.e: copper vs silver vs aluminium same same number of turns different outputs. If you study a little you will find other interesting aspects defeating this gross assumption of yours. I hope this is beneficial.

Congratulations for signing up to benefit him.

However, its beneficial to know that the sh1b & the tb1 use the same materials in construction, which is what is being compared in the OP.

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Are TB models hotter than their SH equivalents?

Incorrect: on a gross level if different material is used i.e: copper vs silver vs aluminium same same number of turns different outputs.

Which, as we're specifically talking about the same p'up, using the same materials, including the wire, is obviously NOT THE CASE. Ergo, my statement stays, as being CORRECT, and yours, although rhetorically speaking is not wrong per se, is so completely out of context that can be considered misleading with intention at its best.

If you study a little you will find other interesting aspects defeating this gross assumption of yours.

We're in full-trolling mode, aren't we? Unfortunately for you, you missed the target by a continent and a half.

I hope this is beneficial.

It's simply not.

Nice try. However, not quite there yet, grasshopper.

 

[darthphineas]

Re: Are TB models hotter than their SH equivalents?

*gets popcorn*

 

[EAProwlerB]

Re: Are TB models hotter than their SH equivalents?

Considering that properties in grades of copper vary by over 10% your broad generalization is still incorrect unless you believe that copper used in these devices undergoes exacting tests.o

 

[LtKojak]

Re: Are TB models hotter than their SH equivalents?

Still talking...?