are there any tuners that will fit my Gibson without new holes?

[romdos]

Re: are there any tuners that will fit my Gibson without new holes?

As near as I can tell, no one really answered the question. It degenerated into "which are the best tuners" and "reasons why Les Pauls go out of tune" sigh...I'll throw it out there again...does anyone have a list of tuners that will fit a GIBSON Les Paul without having to drill new holes?

 

[NegativeEase]

Re: are there any tuners that will fit my Gibson without new holes?

I do not like Klusons, but I will bet you money your problem is not the tuners... but rather your nut is binding or bridge saddles have spurs or nicks.

Also, gear ratio doesn't mean ****.... it's mostly marketing BS -a quality machined tuner at 12:1 will do everything you need that a 20:1 will do.

Grover Rotomatics are the best tuner IMO 14:1, 16:1 18:1 -doesn't matter. Love Schallers and Sperzells too.

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: are there any tuners that will fit my Gibson without new holes?

Ok which tuners do you have on your Les Paul

My Les Paul has single pin no screw Sperzel style

I found some Sperzel locking tuners

If you have the Kluson style
Then Gotoh makes a locking style that matches

If yours happens to come with Grovers
There are several styles of Grovers and other aftermarket options

There just isn't ONE answer

If you have a particular set
Post a picture

I'm sure there are replacements for whatever you have

 

[dystrust]

Re: are there any tuners that will fit my Gibson without new holes?

Grover Rotomatics are the best tuner IMO 14:1, 16:1 18:1 -doesn't matter. Love Schallers and Sperzells too.

Grover Rotomatics were great tuners 20 years ago, but the newer ones are hit and miss. Schaller makes great stuff, but it's pretty expensive outside of the EU. I like the Sperzel locking tuners (and own 3 sets of them), but my #1 pick for replacement tuners is Gotoh.

If the Les Paul is drilled for (kluson style) Gibson Deluxe tuners, Gotoh SD90s are a direct drop in replacement. They're available locking and non-locking and with height-adjustable posts if you want that. The only caveat is that you'll need 10mm conversion bushings if the original tuners are the screw-in type rather than push-in.

 

[mojosman]

Re: are there any tuners that will fit my Gibson without new holes?

Just be aware that Grover makes different models that look more or less the same, but are a bit different. The ones on my Gold Top and Traditional use only the original bottom hole of the factory tuner holes, and the tuners themselves cover over the top holes so you don't see them anymore. They look factory, like they belong there.

On my Studio Faded the ones I bought had bottom screw holes like at diagonal, not directly at 6:00. The hole is more like at 7:00, or 8:00, and the tuners are a bit smaller and don't quite cover the top holes either. When I installed them it was either #1: run to the hardware store and find wood dough that matched the back of the headstock, #2: sell these tuners, and buy ones like on my other two guitars, or #3: make new holes and not worry about the old ones. I went with option #3. It's a Faded brown Les Paul studio, and the holes are tiny. I don't think it's killing my resale value any, and it's not a Custom Shop rare guitar. It is what it is.

 

[lp1987x]

Re: are there any tuners that will fit my Gibson without new holes?

I just put these on my '17 LP Traditional HP and couldn't be happier. The mounting plates mean they'll fit any hole placement.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PRL-8341-C0--graph-tech-ratio-locking-tuned-machine-heads-33-vintage-chrome

 

[NegativeEase]

Re: are there any tuners that will fit my Gibson without new holes?

Grover Rotomatics were great tuners 20 years ago, but the newer ones are hit and miss. Schaller makes great stuff, but it's pretty expensive outside of the EU. I like the Sperzel locking tuners (and own 3 sets of them), but my #1 pick for replacement tuners is Gotoh.

Grover still makes a brilliant tuner -I am perplexed by your statement maybe you could cite specific models you are unhappy with? or is it quality runs?. Schaller in my experience in the US is only 10-20 bucks more over the medium grade ones -worth it everytime in my opinion.

I love Sperzells, Family owned still (the son runs it now), Made in US still, and the inventor of many of the features others now rip off and make in Malaysia and China (Talking about you Reverend!!!) but they are not everyone's cup of tea -they have that tighter feel that you love or hate -sounds like you and I both agree on them.

 

[dystrust]

Re: are there any tuners that will fit my Gibson without new holes?

Grover still makes a brilliant tuner -I am perplexed by your statement maybe you could cite specific models you are unhappy with? or is it quality runs?. Schaller in my experience in the US is only 10-20 bucks more over the medium grade ones -worth it everytime in my opinion.

I've had issues with Rotomatics being hit and miss. If you get a good set, you're golden, but I've run into others in the last few years that slipped or had other QC issues. They were OEM on guitars made in either Indonesia or Korea, so maybe they have a cheaper version for those guitars?

 

[Powdered Toast Man]

Re: are there any tuners that will fit my Gibson without new holes?

Well it is because my friend's SGs dont go out of tune with Non Kluson tuners. They arent the worst but are pretty crappy and cheap.

I know the holes are on the back, Im just one of those people who will be bugged knowing that theyre there. Id prefer somthing that doesnt need new holes, but the old ones being visible is fine.

I have a Gibson. It had tuning issues as well. The going out of tune problem did not get solved until I had the nut replaced and recut. Many tuning issues are caused by the strings binding at the nut, not the tuning machines.

 

[mojosman]

Re: are there any tuners that will fit my Gibson without new holes?

I have a Gibson. It had tuning issues as well. The going out of tune problem did not get solved until I had the nut replaced and recut. Many tuning issues are caused by the strings binding at the nut, not the tuning machines.

+1 on this. I’ve owned three Les Pauls in my life, and one of those has the new titanium nut, which is fine. Both of the other two had issues related to the nut being poorly finished. I replaced one nut because one slot was cut too low at the factory. The other the luthier was able to fix by filing the slots. Gibson could do a better job finishing and installing nuts on guitars, especially at that price point. It shouldn’t be a common issue on new and newer guitars, but it is.


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