Artietoo, I could use help with this wiring again. Rails Related

[Xeromus]

okay here we go. I'm about to change the pickups in my Schecter Strat and Parker Nitefly.

Cool Rails Neck and middle, and a Distortion or JB bridge. Here's what I'd like it to do:

1 volume 1 tone, 5 way switch. Coil Tap

Coil tap off, full humbucker mode for all

1. Bridge
2. Bridge Middle
3. Middle
4. Middle Neck
5. Neck

now, with the coil tap on:

1. full bridge humbucker
2. bridge and middle combined and both single coil split
3. middle split
4. neck and middle split
5. neck split

I know we went over this like a year ago, does that sound feasible? Can it be done without adding a minitoggle and just using a push/pull pot?

Here's another question, if in the parker nitefly I decide to retain the singles, I still want to get all new pickups, JB bridge, and two undecided upon SD singles. For that middle position would I need to get a RWRP single?

 

[Artie]

Re: Artietoo, I could use help with this wiring again. Rails Related

I believe it is, but I was just getting ready to call it a night.

Let me mull this over tomorrow, and I'll get back to you.

 

[rspst14]

Re: Artietoo, I could use help with this wiring again. Rails Related

I could be wrong, and I almost fear the thought of disagreeing with a wiring god like Artie, but here goes...splitting three pickups will not be possible using one push/pull pot. The wiring you want can likely be accomplished, but you'll need either a second push pull, or some type of mini switch in addition to a push/pull. The only other issue might be having the bridge in humbucking mode, then getting it into split mode when combined with the middle. I'm sure you could rig it up, but it would be much less of a headache if the bridge was always split in single coil mode. You could still get all the combinations you want, and it would be much easier to wire up.

Ryan

 

[Xeromus]

Re: Artietoo, I could use help with this wiring again. Rails Related

I could be wrong, and I almost fear the thought of disagreeing with a wiring god like Artie, but here goes...splitting three pickups will not be possible using one push/pull pot. The wiring you want can likely be accomplished, but you'll need either a second push pull, or some type of mini switch in addition to a push/pull. The only other issue might be having the bridge in humbucking mode, then getting it into split mode when combined with the middle. I'm sure you could rig it up, but it would be much less of a headache if the bridge was always split in single coil mode. You could still get all the combinations you want, and it would be much easier to wire up.

Ryan

that sounds exactly like the problem my tech was having. This amount of fiddling with wiring is past my ability level as of right now. I think he said he couldn't do it without adding a 2nd switch of some sort, and couldn't figure out a way to get that bridge humbucker to split alone at the 1 position with the coil tap up. He said one thing would have to be sacrificed. That's why I assumed to keep the bridge full humbucking in both modes.

 

[FretFire]

Re: Artietoo, I could use help with this wiring again. Rails Related

I know Ibanez uses a 5-way switch that auto-taps a humbucker to be split with a middle single coil, but it's both a pain to mess with and the humbucker is ALWAYS split when combined with the middle, not either or via a toggle/push-pull. Perhaps combining a switch like that and a toggle/push-pull could yield some interesting results?

 

[Artie]

Re: Artietoo, I could use help with this wiring again. Rails Related

Ryan is basically correct, about needing two push/pull pots. At least, when its done conventionally. I remember mulling this over several months ago, and I think I may have found a solution, but I need to dig back through my notes to find it.

Basically, it goes along these lines: You only need half the 5-way switch to perform the basic switching that you describe at the top of your post, that is:

1. neck
2. neck/middle
3. middle
4. middle/bridge
5. bridge

So, if I recall, I use the other side of the 5-way to split two pups, but run the common terminal of that side to one side of the push/pull. Then the third pup goes the "other" side of the push/pull. That way, none of the "split" functionality takes place, 'til the pot is pulled . . . or something like that.

Let me look over my notes . . . and I'll get back to you.
Film at eleven.

Artie

 

[rspst14]

Re: Artietoo, I could use help with this wiring again. Rails Related

Here's what I would do...for quicker switching, I would go with push/push pots instead of push/pull. Wire one of them to split the neck and middle pickups, and wire the other one to split the bridge (or one for the neck, one for the bridge and middle.) In normal mode, the wiring functions like a stock Strat. By pushing both pots, you can quickly and easily get all three pickups into single coil mode. The wiring will still function like a stock Strat, the only difference is that all three pickups will be in single coil mode. Of course, you could also have the middle as a single and the bridge as a humbucker, or the neck as a humbucker and the middle as a single, it just depends how you wire the three pickups to the two push/push pots. If you want to go all out, add a third push/push that will give you the last two pickup combinations: all three at once, or neck and bridge.

Ryan

 

[Xeromus]

Re: Artietoo, I could use help with this wiring again. Rails Related

Take your time Artie, you are the man. Don't rush on my account. I should be paying you for this.

 

[Artie]

Re: Artietoo, I could use help with this wiring again. Rails Related

Ok, I got doodling this up, and I remember what the deal is. If you only use one push/pull or push/push switch you can get real close.

You'ld have:

Pot down:
1. bridge
2. bridge & middle
3. middle
4. middle & neck
5. neck

Pot up:
1. bridge (full)
2. bridge & middle (both split)
3. middle (split)
4. middle & neck (both split)
5. neck (full)

That last position is the only one you'ld lose. If you want that, it requires two pot-switches.

If you want, I can post a diagram when I get home. btw - Thats not a bad combo.

Artie

 

[skyydogg01]

Re: Artietoo, I could use help with this wiring again. Rails Related

if you don't mind putting in a toggle switch, put a 3pdt switch in there. when in the tap position, neck and middle go to ground and for the bridge, put a wire between the toggle and the 5 way where you would normally put the red/white for splitting.

attached is this diagram