Avatar contemporary 212 vs Mesa 2x12

Re: Avatar contemporary 212 vs Mesa 2x12

CHINESE v30

...OP stated not wanting China stuff

The V30 is a different case, most people I know prefer the Chinese V30 to the UK version. As Jacew said, their is little difference, and from what I've heard most of that difference is tighter quality control.
 
Re: Avatar contemporary 212 vs Mesa 2x12

What area of the world/USA are you located ESPzach?

In the midwest (Indy/St.L/Chi) there are always Mesa 212/412 in great condition listed for between $400-$600. Can be had easily with a little patience for $300-$500.
Best cabs IMO, irrespective of speakers.

Avatar make very good cabs too, and if you're wanting a speaker mix or less common models then they might be the best option for USA.
Lots of speaker options (both UK-made and MIC), and a few different cab sizes/models.

The voicing of the speaker relevant to the cab's size and construction (relevant to the tone you're trying to achieve of course) really do matter.
 
Re: Avatar contemporary 212 vs Mesa 2x12

The V30 is a different case, most people I know prefer the Chinese V30 to the UK version. As Jacew said, their is little difference, and from what I've heard most of that difference is tighter quality control.

This will sound goofy I know, but IMO after using both of the 16ohm versions I think the MIC is best for a Mesa 212, and the UK is better for a bigger 212 like the Avatar sig and contemporary, and the UK is best for a 412 mesa of either size.
The 8ohm UK V30 is no doubt my favorite V30 for any 412. It has the most centered midrange peak making it sound thicker, darker, and broader.

For a Mesa 212 recto horizontal the MIC K100 16ohm would be just massive trust me! I need to swap speaker pairs in my cabs.
(it's a very focused cab with thick mids that can be nasal compared to a 412 or bigger taller 212)


8ohm mesaV30 in the Avatar sig/contemp would be perfect for that cab.


For perspective though, a few small EQ adjustments at the booster or amp can just about negate these differences.
 
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Re: Avatar contemporary 212 vs Mesa 2x12

I'm located in southern Wv. They don't pop up for sell that often and the last one I saw was rough for $400.Also I'm no completely opposed to Chinese made products. I'm jus not going to pay $750 for a cab made there.
 
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Re: Avatar contemporary 212 vs Mesa 2x12

I very much doubt there's any difference between chinese and uk celestion. Didn't they actually moved the very same machinery they used in uk to china?

Even if there was, is it anything meaningful? No. It still sounds like V30.

FWIW (I own both Orange and Mesa cabs);

Mesa V30s are made out of different materials using different methods than the Chinese ones. When you look at them side by side it’s really obvious. The alloys are different, the Mesa are machined while the Chinese are cast, different glue, etc.

The Chinese ones have a stronger, higher midrange spike. I prefer them with more mid gain amps (80s Marshall’s) where the aggressive spike gives more edge to the distortion. It’s a great match for something darker, like an Orange AD30 or Thunderverb. I hate them with amps that have more top end, like a Rectifier.

The Mesas are darker and smoother sounding without the upper mid spike. I prefer them with high gain amps where they help smooth out the fizz.

The Marshall V30 is even brighter than the generic Celestion V30.

Further, the 16ohm V30s used in the Recto 2x12 have more top and bottom end than the 8ohm V30s used in the Recto 4x12, which roll the top/bottom end off a bit more and present a more rounded midrange. IMO, the 16ohm is good for making a smaller cab sound bigger while the 8ohm produces that tailored midrange that Mesa cabs are known for.

Long story short, not all Vintage 30s are the same.
 
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Re: Avatar contemporary 212 vs Mesa 2x12

FWIW (I own both Orange and Mesa cabs);

Mesa V30s are made out of different materials using different methods than the Chinese ones. When you look at them side by side it’s really obvious. The alloys are different, the Mesa are machined while the Chinese are cast, different glue, etc.

The Chinese ones have a stronger, higher midrange spike. I prefer them with more mid gain amps (80s Marshall’s) where the aggressive spike gives more edge to the distortion. It’s a great match for something darker, like an Orange AD30 or Thunderverb. I hate them with amps that have more top end, like a Rectifier.

The Mesas are darker and smoother sounding without the upper mid spike. I prefer them with high gain amps where they help smooth out the fizz.

The Marshall V30 is even brighter than the generic Celestion V30.

Further, the 16ohm V30s used in the Recto 2x12 have more top and bottom end than the 8ohm V30s used in the Recto 4x12, which roll the top/bottom end off a bit more and present a more rounded midrange. IMO, the 16ohm is good for making a smaller cab sound bigger while the 8ohm produces that tailored midrange that Mesa cabs are known for.

Long story short, not all Vintage 30s are the same.

Yep. Mesa V30 are different than aftermarket models. Didn't realize this was about those.
 
Re: Avatar contemporary 212 vs Mesa 2x12

To clearify... I was jus wondering out of the two cabs who's is best for a 6505. The reason I'm not considering Orange is bc apparently the entire ppc2x12 is made in China now.So to me $750 is too much to pay for something made in China.I understand any v30 cab I buy(except Mesa) will have Chinese v30s but that can't really be helped lol
 
Re: Avatar contemporary 212 vs Mesa 2x12

This will sound goofy I know, but IMO after using both of the 16ohm versions I think the MIC is best for a Mesa 212, and the UK is better for a bigger 212 like the Avatar sig and contemporary, and the UK is best for a 412 mesa of either size.
The 8ohm UK V30 is no doubt my favorite V30 for any 412. It has the most centered midrange peak making it sound thicker, darker, and broader.

For a Mesa 212 recto horizontal the MIC K100 16ohm would be just massive trust me! I need to swap speaker pairs in my cabs.
(it's a very focused cab with thick mids that can be nasal compared to a 412 or bigger taller 212)


8ohm mesaV30 in the Avatar sig/contemp would be perfect for that cab.


For perspective though, a few small EQ adjustments at the booster or amp can just about negate these differences.

Why would you buy Mesa cabs with their always-UK speakers, and then spend money to load them with Chinese speakers?

If you really hate the C90 for some reason, at least get used vintage k85's instead of chinese k100.
 
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Re: Avatar contemporary 212 vs Mesa 2x12

To clearify... I was jus wondering out of the two cabs who's is best for a 6505. The reason I'm not considering Orange is bc apparently the entire ppc2x12 is made in China now.So to me $750 is too much to pay for something made in China.I understand any v30 cab I buy(except Mesa) will have Chinese v30s but that can't really be helped lol

A v30/c90 pairing sounds better than straight up v30's with 5150/6505-family amps

See if you can get one of the grate-grilled old Mesa cabs that pair em

Ive seen those 4x12 for $350-400 and the 2x12s for $300-350
 
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Re: Avatar contemporary 212 vs Mesa 2x12

To clearify... I was jus wondering out of the two cabs who's is best for a 6505. The reason I'm not considering Orange is bc apparently the entire ppc2x12 is made in China now.So to me $750 is too much to pay for something made in China.I understand any v30 cab I buy(except Mesa) will have Chinese v30s but that can't really be helped lol

5150 on a slant Recto 4x12 is crushing.
 
Re: Avatar contemporary 212 vs Mesa 2x12

Why would you buy Mesa cabs with their always-UK speakers, and then spend money to load them with Chinese speakers?

If you really hate the C90 for some reason, at least get used vintage k85's instead of chinese k100.

So. Can you tell what exactly you think is wrong with chinese Celestions? I'm interested.
 
Re: Avatar contemporary 212 vs Mesa 2x12

Why would you buy Mesa cabs with their always-UK speakers, and then spend money to load them with Chinese speakers?

If you really hate the C90 for some reason, at least get used vintage k85's instead of chinese k100.

I wouldn't, I'm just saying that the sonics of the mesa 212 and the sonics of the Chinese v30 are a great match.
Just like some-dude posted, the Chinese V30 is wider sounding and is perfect for making a smaller cab sound bigger.
For a bigger cab, like an oversized 212 or any 412 I think the 8ohm UK-V30 is the best compliment.

If one already had a Mesa 212 and an Avatar contemp that was V30 loaded, I'd bet anything that switching them would make both cabs sound a bit better.
The big Avatar 212 is a scooped sound when compared to the Mesa, even if they were both loaded with the same UK versions.

I like the c90 and the k100, they are both great but for the better cleans I'd go c90. K100 is massive but a bit more scooped.
Combined with V30s the K100 will add a little more on the bottom and top to the V30 mids. C90 does too, but not quite as much.
The old K85 models just don't come up around here very often, and who wants to pay for speaker shipping anyways when there's no telling what they've been through. I hardly ever see an old Peavey cab with k85 these days, but this isn't exactly a hotbed of great used gear.
 
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