BB King Lucille...anybody got one or know about them?

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Still thinking about a 335 style guitar to replace my ES-355 that was stolen many, many years ago. My '60 ES-355 had a mahogany neck and F holes compared to the maple neck and no F holes of the Gibson Lucille. Any of you have an opinion on the Gibson Lucille? Are they made in the Gibson Custom Shop or just on the line? Thanks! Lew
 
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I don't know too much about them but my buddy Cris makes the guards for them so I suppose I can find out.
 
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My friend has a early '70's 335 that is just a beautiful sounding guitar. The best I've heard, was a 1960 blonde 335 with PAF's that I played at Mandolin Bros., but that's neither here nor there. I've played the Lucille model (painted on f-holes like BB's) and it sounded pretty good as well. I would go and audition one of them & see. It's the only way to know.

Jeff
 
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Jeffrec said:
The best I've heard, was a 1960 blonde 335 with PAF's that I played at Mandolin Bros., but that's neither here nor there.

I believe you! The BEST 335/355 guitar I ever played was my '60 ES-355 with original pafs...the one that got stolen shortly after some bikers moved in next door. Lew
 
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Wattage said:
I don't know too much about them but my buddy Cris makes the guards for them so I suppose I can find out.

Yeah? That'd be kind of you. Maybe find out what years are exceptional and what years aren't? Thanks! Lew
 
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The BB-kings are beautiful guitars, i had the pleasure of playing one a while back. But i tend to steer away from signiature guitars just because it always seems to me like im playing someone elses guitar...but thats just me.

The es-345's are beautiful for that type of thing, and they too have the varitone knob which in my opinion gives you a bunch of great clean jazzy/bluesy tones that are actually useful, although a lot of people here (i cant remember if you were one of them ;) ) werent too impressed with the varitone knobs and said they didnt really use them.

I hope i havent missed something in your question here Lew, because its sorta always you who are giving the advice :D
 
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Young Angus said:
The BB-kings are beautiful guitars, i had the pleasure of playing one a while back. But i tend to steer away from signiature guitars just because it always seems to me like im playing someone elses guitar...but thats just me.

The es-345's are beautiful for that type of thing, and they too have the varitone knob which in my opinion gives you a bunch of great clean jazzy/bluesy tones that are actually useful, although a lot of people here (i cant remember if you were one of them ;) ) werent too impressed with the varitone knobs and said they didnt really use them.

I hope i havent missed something in your question here Lew, because its sorta always you who are giving the advice :D

Well, I need some advice this time around. :) I did disconnect the varitone in my old ES 355 and thought it sounded better without it...not so nasal. One nice thing about the Lucille guitars is that there is a control plate on the back...you don't have to fish everything through the pickup holes or F holes. I've never played a Lucille...tho BB is one of my very favorites! They sell for a little less used than a comparable 335...that's a plus! I know the later models have the 57 Classic pickups...but I'd probably put some Antiquitys or something else in there eventually. I don't have but one or two guitars with the pickups they came with. Lew
 
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Did you not get that deal on that 335 in natural?
 
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JOLLY said:
Did you not get that deal on that 335 in natural?

I got the deal and was ready to pay for it, but the seller couldn't verify that it was actually a Custom Shop Historic. Curly told me some things to look for and it turned out it wasn't, so I passed on it. For $1800 it was great deal for a Custom Shop Gibson, but not such a good deal for a non-custom shop ax.

Both the seller and I learned a little on that one. I'm pretty good on vintage guitars...it's the newer models I'm less familar with.

Lew
 
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I love the sounds of most of the gibson semi-hollows. Especially the ones like the lucilles and the 137's and 335/345's. The 57 classics are lovely sounding pickups for clean stuff, especially that neck position mmmmmm but they probably still wouldnt stand up to a great duncan ;)
 
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I must be the only person that likes the varitone circuit, anyway, there are better ways to use that ... but on to the main theme ... I played one that wasn't custom shop, so it came from the line, although I'm sure they offer it in custom shop version... I also played the epi version, can't say that it stayed in tune very well (at least the one I played). The Gibson one had some tuning problems also, but they kinda got worked in, the craftsmanship from what I could tell was pretty much flawless, a lot better than what I had seen in some of their other *line instruments*, especially the fret dressing ... very smooth and meticulous,the stereo outputs were a nice feature, and very useful for two amps (hey Lew ... you play with two amps set differently don't you ... :cool3:), the overall response was very nice and even ... to me the pups could have had a bit more bass to them, but the stock pups very even across the mids, not tremendously vocal sounding, but they did sing nice with mild overdrive, the highs were just enough to give clarity and cut thru ... especially with chords ... and there wasn't any harshness of upper mids (whether that was the pups, the body, or both I can't say). I general after getting the tuning problems taken care of (bending), it was very nice ... the flexibilty of the stereo outs was real nice. I didn't find it to have a lot of punchiness, but it seemed to speak it's dynamics with a rather (cliche' term coming up ) *smoothness*. It had a very balanced response for finger style picking as well as plectrum. I didn't find the volume knobs to have the greatest taper or response, or whatever ... but they were useful, it would be nicer I think if they put some kind of balance control on it rather than individual volumes. It struck me as being one of the few guiatrs that sounded both focused and open at the same time, more so that a 335 (not that I'm a 335 guy, I've only dealt with semis a few times here and there ) ....
It sounded really nice clean thru a compressor also (cs-3), those pups seemed to respond very well with it. I tried it thru a peavey classic 30, a peavey studio 112 (a transtube, but an older one), a marshall VS 100, and a
johnson millenium (on a few of thier vintagey settings ... black face, ac-30, matchless, etc.). Straight in except for the compressor, and a little reverb.
The nut looked to be cut perfectly, but that tuning thing was still an issue, I've seen three on a side Gibsons that do that, and ones that don't ... I really think if they changed that nut to a graphite or other low friction material, and maybe cut th e nut slots with a corresponding angle on the back side it would alleviate that stuff. This was about four years ago, I was working for a Gibson dealer at the time, and it was a floor model, hence no custom shop. :)
 
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Lewguitar said:
I believe you! The BEST 335/355 guitar I ever played was my '60 ES-355 with original pafs...the one that got stolen shortly after some bikers moved in next door. Lew

Lew,

Sorry to hear about that stolen 355. Gee, I wonder if those fine gentlemen who moved in next door had anything to do with it? :rolleyes: Bikers are interesting folks. I've lived next door to a few in my early days of renting places. One group were total Aholes and fairly volitile. The next guy was a Hells Angel who was booted out of California. He was a nice guy (giant of a man) but nice. Then again I didn;t live next door to him long enough to find out how stable he was (or wasn't).

Anyway. Sorry again about the guitar.

Jeff
 
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Jeffrec said:
Lew,

Sorry to hear about that stolen 355. Gee, I wonder if those fine gentlemen who moved in next door had anything to do with it? :rolleyes: Bikers are interesting folks. I've lived next door to a few in my early days of renting places. One group were total Aholes and fairly volitile. The next guy was a Hells Angel who was booted out of California. He was a nice guy (giant of a man) but nice. Then again I didn;t live next door to him long enough to find out how stable he was (or wasn't).

Anyway. Sorry again about the guitar.

Jeff

It happened about 25 years ago so I've gotten over it. Still miss the guitar tho! They broke the front door and took the 355 because it was sitting out on a guitar stand. Didn't take the brown case, so I had that for awhile. At least they didn't take my '63 Strat! It was in the case in another room. Still have the Strat. I always suspected it was the bikers who moved in next door but who knows? Lew
 
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Kent S. said:
I must be the only person that likes the varitone circuit, anyway, there are better ways to use that ... but on to the main theme ... I played one that wasn't custom shop, so it came from the line, although I'm sure they offer it in custom shop version... I also played the epi version......etc.
Now THAT's a review! Thanks alot! The Lucille's get uniformly rave reviews on Harmony Central too. The maple neck of the Lucille vs the mahogany neck of the 335/345/355 is a little concern. I prefer mahogany on a Gibson...it's part of the Gibson tone I'm used to, tho I like maple on a Fender...it's part of the Fender tone I'm used to. And I do wish it didn't have the varitone as I would suspect that means the pickups are out of phase too. Change-able but a hassle. Thanks alot for the detailed review! Lew
 
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Now THAT's a review! Thanks alot!
LOL .... Glad i could help ... :bigthumb:
The Lucille's get uniformly rave reviews on Harmony Central too. The maple neck of the Lucille vs the mahogany neck of the 335/345/355 is a little concern. I prefer mahogany on a Gibson...it's part of the Gibson tone I'm used to, tho I like maple on a Fender...it's part of the Fender tone I'm used to.
I did not realise that the neck was maple, that's interesting, I probably glossed over it on the spec sheet, but never gave it any further thought ... very cool ...Thanks!
And I do wish it didn't have the varitone as I would suspect that means the pickups are out of phase too.
Yeah, you either like it or your don't, I'm not super crazy about the way they went about it technically (they damped the post notch resonance, and took away some of the notch depth, bypass that 100K resistor and you get a much more dramatic effect, of course then though you need to be able to trim it back, hence another pot). The varitone circuit used in those was a stereo setup as well so the pups did stay independent in stereo. As far as the pups phase, they did sound out to me, but then again that could have been because I was running into two amps, a reversed pup that way would give a really cool spatial enhancement.Rather than that out of phase nasal thing when mixed together. but the V.T. by itself would have anything to do with that per se'. It is a nice guitar, and a very comfortable neck also.
Change-able but a hassle. Thanks alot for the detailed review!
Lew
Your welcome, I just wish now that I had gotten a chace to really *open it up a bit*, rather than just play a moderately loud to soft levels; I've always liked what those semis cand do with clean-ish *sound pressure* feedback.
I would have liked to have heard how this one compared to the 335 ... Sorry to hear about the stolen guiatr, as most bikers I've known where really cool about stuff like that ... the more hardcore they were, the more they tended to respect other people and their stuff ... I guess it came from getting stomped to many times themselves ... it does tend to breed the don't mess with someone and they won't mess with you mentality ... as it should be ...
:chairshot ... later. :cool2:
 
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I almost bought one but then I had last minutes doubts about the weight of the guitar. The neck is similar to that of a Les Paul custom. Ebony fretboard and pearl inlays and binding. The guitar is made of maple but is yet suprisingly warm in it's sound. I guess it has something to do with the 490/480 pickups which normally sound muddy but on this one they sound good. It is beautifull to play but is a heavy beast so if you are doing some serious gigging, I would take that into account. Tonally, it is similar to a 335 with perhaps a stronger attack. The varitone is nice little gimmick but I feel that one get quickly bored with it. It can be bypassed so it shouldn't be a detterent for buying one.

There are only 2 colours: ebony and cherry red. I wanted a cherry red but I couldn't find one. This was a standard Gibson USA production model. There are Epiphones as well, but they don't even come close to the quality of the Gibson.

Hope this helps.

Marin
 
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Marinblues said:
I almost bought one but then I had last minutes doubts about the weight of the guitar. The neck is similar to that of a Les Paul custom. Ebony fretboard and pearl inlays and binding. The guitar is made of maple but is yet suprisingly warm in it's sound. I guess it has something to do with the 490/480 pickups which normally sound muddy but on this one they sound good. It is beautifull to play but is a heavy beast so if you are doing some serious gigging, I would take that into account. Tonally, it is similar to a 335 with perhaps a stronger attack. The varitone is nice little gimmick but I feel that one get quickly bored with it. It can be bypassed so it shouldn't be a detterent for buying one.

There are only 2 colours: ebony and cherry red. I wanted a cherry red but I couldn't find one. This was a standard Gibson USA production model. There are Epiphones as well, but they don't even come close to the quality of the Gibson.

Hope this helps.

Marin

Thanks for the info! They couldn't be heavier than most Les Pauls! Or are they? I wonder where the vari-tone is located? In my old 355, Gibson left a big space between the pickups and mounted it there. In the old Gibsons that was one diff between between the body of a 335 and the body of the 345/355: the center block was solid between the pickups of the 335 and there was a space left for the varitone between the pickups of the 345/355...those big rectangular metal covered coils or whatever they are.

I like the red better too...that's the color my old 355 was.

Thanks again!

And HAPPY EASTER!

Lew
 
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