Been a while need help with this wiring setup

[Rleague]

Can someone tell me what version of wiring this is?

Is it a Les Paul modern wiring or vintage 50s?

I assume it's a modern but
My question is why is the cap grounded off to the top of tone pot, and a Jumper used from the tones to the volumes?

What's the reason for this way of wiring instead of
Just wiring the caps across the tone and volumes?


Any help would be great.

 

[Darg1911]

Re: Been a while need help with this wiring setup

It's modern wiring (with dependent volume control in the middle position). As far as the cap is concerned, it's an alternative way of wiring it in. Other than that, I don't know if there is any difference in grounding the cap to the tone pot versus wiring it between tone and volume pot lugs. The Dimarzio wiring diagrams also show the cap connected in that way.

 

[Rleague]

Re: Been a while need help with this wiring setup

It's modern wiring (with dependent volume control in the middle position). As far as the cap is concerned, it's an alternative way of wiring it in. Other than that, I don't know if there is any difference in grounding the cap to the tone pot versus wiring it between tone and volume pot lugs. The Dimarzio wiring diagrams also show the cap connected in that way.

Thanks for the clarification. Kinda what I was thinking it was. Also looks like the Seymour Duncan wiring diagram I’ve seen for les Paul’s. Interesting why they choose to install the cap and jumper like that.

 

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Been a while need help with this wiring setup

Agree, modern/dependent. Makes no difference electrically or tonally if the cap is wired as in your diagram or if it is wired between the vol pot and tone pot. But usually the end lug on the tone pot is used as the input lug and the middle lug goes to ground (or through the cap to ground). That probably doesn't make any difference either though.

 

[Rleague]

Re: Been a while need help with this wiring setup

Agree, modern/dependent. Makes no difference electrically or tonally if the cap is wired as in your diagram or if it is wired between the vol pot and tone pot. But usually the end lug on the tone pot is used as the input lug and the middle lug goes to ground (or through the cap to ground). That probably doesn't make any difference either though.

Thanks. So if I wanted to take the current layout and change it to a 50s wiring would I just simply connect the jumpers to the center lugs on the volumes? Or would anything else need changed?

 

[Darg1911]

Re: Been a while need help with this wiring setup

Thanks. So if I wanted to take the current layout and change it to a 50s wiring would I just simply connect the jumpers to the center lugs on the volumes? Or would anything else need changed?

That should do it.

I don't think the lug swap that Guitardoc mentions above would make a difference. The way the cap is wired in certainly wont.

 

[Rleague]

Re: Been a while need help with this wiring setup

That should do it.

I don't think the lug swap that Guitardoc mentions above would make a difference. The way the cap is wired in certainly wont.

I’ll give it a try thanks.

 

[Artie]

Re: Been a while need help with this wiring setup

Here's an old drawing I made. Eight different ways to wire a pot/cap tone control. All are electrically, (and tonally), identical.

 

[Rleague]

Re: Been a while need help with this wiring setup

Here's an old drawing I made. Eight different ways to wire a pot/cap tone control. All are electrically, (and tonally), identical.

View attachment 84315

Thanks a lot.

So to clarify from your drawing if I wired a guitar say using modern wiring and I wanted to change to a 50s wiring all I’d do is simply change the cap on the volume to the middle lug? the lug ground on the tone pot lug 1 or 2 spot makes no difference then?

 

[Artie]

Re: Been a while need help with this wiring setup

Sort of. In all of those examples, the "little circle" is the tone control output. For standard wiring, you'd connect that to the 3rd lug of the volume pot. For 50's wiring, you'd connect it to the middle lug. Make sense?

 

[Rleague]

Re: Been a while need help with this wiring setup

Sort of. In all of those examples, the "little circle" is the tone control output. For standard wiring, you'd connect that to the 3rd lug of the volume pot. For 50's wiring, you'd connect it to the middle lug. Make sense?

Yes that makes sense. That’s what I was trying to say.