Behringer RV600 rips of the Verbzilla..
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FretFire
SingedFingerologist
Re: Behringer RV600 rips of the Verbzilla..
Wait, Behringer blatantly copied the look and/or function of another company's product? That can't be right...
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I personally dislike Behringer as most products of theirs I've run across have just been terrible quality. Cheap plastic housings, poor construction, etc.
Wait, Behringer blatantly copied the look and/or function of another company's product? That can't be right...
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I personally dislike Behringer as most products of theirs I've run across have just been terrible quality. Cheap plastic housings, poor construction, etc.
Loserchief
SwingingIdiot
Re: Behringer RV600 rips of the Verbzilla..
If it's like most behringer pedals, it will sound almost the same but will be constructed cheaper on the outside and inside.
If it's like most behringer pedals, it will sound almost the same but will be constructed cheaper on the outside and inside.
gnoj_LL
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Re: Behringer RV600 rips of the Verbzilla..
this actualy amazes me how behringer can reverse-engineer a complex circuitry and actually selling it at a lower price to the consumer market.
cut corners yah for sure, but still... i'm sure verbzilla is a very complicated digital pedal. i imagine line 6 spending a lot of time researching and developing this.
it's no surprise for me for anybody to clone a tube screamer or a BBD analog delay, or a fuzz face. but to actually clone a multieffect is pretty amazing. men, those verbzilla should have some kind of DSP processing right, how could behringer replicate this? they have the same manufactures of silicone chips? same programers and engineers? maybe an inside job lol
i don't believe in piracy, but in all honesty, for the price i might try one... grin:burnout:
i rememeber LEW being a fan of the verbzilla. i wonder how he would react to this?
this actualy amazes me how behringer can reverse-engineer a complex circuitry and actually selling it at a lower price to the consumer market.
cut corners yah for sure, but still... i'm sure verbzilla is a very complicated digital pedal. i imagine line 6 spending a lot of time researching and developing this.
it's no surprise for me for anybody to clone a tube screamer or a BBD analog delay, or a fuzz face. but to actually clone a multieffect is pretty amazing. men, those verbzilla should have some kind of DSP processing right, how could behringer replicate this? they have the same manufactures of silicone chips? same programers and engineers? maybe an inside job lol
i don't believe in piracy, but in all honesty, for the price i might try one... grin:burnout:
i rememeber LEW being a fan of the verbzilla. i wonder how he would react to this?
Re: Behringer RV600 rips of the Verbzilla..
I've got 2 Behringer pedals and they're both great. Got tue TU300 tuner (actually tracks better than the TU-2) and the Boss PS-5 clone (can't remember what Behringer calls theirs).
Sure the construction isn't as good, but they're sturdier than people think. And comparing the £35 I paid for my PS-5 clone to the £145 that Boss charge for a proper one, even if it breaks, I'm still winning.
Both pedals do what they're supposed to do very well, have a decent bypass, and cost peanuts. Fixed to a pedalboard, it's unlikely they'll break any time soon.
I've got 2 Behringer pedals and they're both great. Got tue TU300 tuner (actually tracks better than the TU-2) and the Boss PS-5 clone (can't remember what Behringer calls theirs).
Sure the construction isn't as good, but they're sturdier than people think. And comparing the £35 I paid for my PS-5 clone to the £145 that Boss charge for a proper one, even if it breaks, I'm still winning.
Both pedals do what they're supposed to do very well, have a decent bypass, and cost peanuts. Fixed to a pedalboard, it's unlikely they'll break any time soon.
thespricket
New member
Re: Behringer RV600 rips of the Verbzilla..
it's an interesting debate. From what i've heard, most of their pedals sound great and sound almost exactly like the ones they rip off. I own their DD3 clone delay and I'm happy with it. I paid thirty bucks as opposed to like eighty. Times is hard.
Loserchief pretty much nailed it, saying that they sound good but are nowhere near the build quality of a Boss. Thats where the price gap comes from IMO.
it's an interesting debate. From what i've heard, most of their pedals sound great and sound almost exactly like the ones they rip off. I own their DD3 clone delay and I'm happy with it. I paid thirty bucks as opposed to like eighty. Times is hard.
Loserchief pretty much nailed it, saying that they sound good but are nowhere near the build quality of a Boss. Thats where the price gap comes from IMO.
DankStar
Her Little Mojo Minion
Re: Behringer RV600 rips of the Verbzilla..
I have also wondered how they copy digital information, like for the POD clones. Maybe there's some fancy equipment (built better than theirs of course!) that can retreive the info from chips. Is is ethically right? Probably not. Can they get away with it? Apparently.
I use some behringer stuff, but I'm not super proud to admit that.
I have also wondered how they copy digital information, like for the POD clones. Maybe there's some fancy equipment (built better than theirs of course!) that can retreive the info from chips. Is is ethically right? Probably not. Can they get away with it? Apparently.
I use some behringer stuff, but I'm not super proud to admit that.
gnoj_LL
New member
Re: Behringer RV600 rips of the Verbzilla..
exactly, did the guys from boss, line 6, EHX forgot to copyright thier work?
i have the behringer 7 band eq and it works just fine. it's plastic but still sturdy. bought it when they came out first. it was 19.99 before in zzounds.com now they are selling this for 29.99.
exactly, did the guys from boss, line 6, EHX forgot to copyright thier work?
i have the behringer 7 band eq and it works just fine. it's plastic but still sturdy. bought it when they came out first. it was 19.99 before in zzounds.com now they are selling this for 29.99.
ratherdashing
Kablamminator
Re: Behringer RV600 rips of the Verbzilla..
Line 6 has never made a single thing in California. All of their production is in Asia.
Behringer is IIRC a German company, but I'm sure their production is in China.
Line 6 has never made a single thing in California. All of their production is in Asia.
Behringer is IIRC a German company, but I'm sure their production is in China.
ratherdashing
Kablamminator
Re: Behringer RV600 rips of the Verbzilla..
It's actually pretty easy to pull stuff from a ROM chip if you have the right tools.
Behringer are thieves who get away with outright plagiarism through various loopholes in international law. Even if you can get past this, their products are junk. Prone to noise and failure.
It's actually pretty easy to pull stuff from a ROM chip if you have the right tools.
Behringer are thieves who get away with outright plagiarism through various loopholes in international law. Even if you can get past this, their products are junk. Prone to noise and failure.
glassman
Electron Herder
Re: Behringer RV600 rips of the Verbzilla..
They are owned by a German guy and were originally located there. They built a facility in China for all thier production and moved the headquarters to Hong Kong. I'm sure Line 6 manufactures in China...most elecronics are made there any more anyway. Thier engineering, purchasing and management are in California though.
As for patent protection, China does not recognize American patents and Chinese companies routinely reverse engineer just about anything and sell it abroad with little chance of repercussion. When a company chooses to manufacture in China, they have little chance of success unless they partner with a Chinese company...which is in essense the chinese government since everything is state owned. If they choose not to partner, they run the risk of lost production via "power grid testing" and other strange practices that only affect stand-alones. They also have to pay for "protection" to get thier products out of the country.
They are owned by a German guy and were originally located there. They built a facility in China for all thier production and moved the headquarters to Hong Kong. I'm sure Line 6 manufactures in China...most elecronics are made there any more anyway. Thier engineering, purchasing and management are in California though.
As for patent protection, China does not recognize American patents and Chinese companies routinely reverse engineer just about anything and sell it abroad with little chance of repercussion. When a company chooses to manufacture in China, they have little chance of success unless they partner with a Chinese company...which is in essense the chinese government since everything is state owned. If they choose not to partner, they run the risk of lost production via "power grid testing" and other strange practices that only affect stand-alones. They also have to pay for "protection" to get thier products out of the country.
gnoj_LL
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gnoj_LL
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drpietrzak
New member
Re: Behringer RV600 rips of the Verbzilla..
It is a fine line in many ways. Think of the number of fuzz, TS and other pedal copies that are actual steals. Boss SD-1 is pretty much a steal as well. Do you have any Fender, Gibson or other copies? So the rational is if the quality is better is is OK to copy? How is that ethically superior? If you don't have a copy how about the numbers of them that exist? It is really hard to get too critical here for many of us.
It is a fine line in many ways. Think of the number of fuzz, TS and other pedal copies that are actual steals. Boss SD-1 is pretty much a steal as well. Do you have any Fender, Gibson or other copies? So the rational is if the quality is better is is OK to copy? How is that ethically superior? If you don't have a copy how about the numbers of them that exist? It is really hard to get too critical here for many of us.
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FretFire
SingedFingerologist
Re: Behringer RV600 rips of the Verbzilla..
I dislike Behringer because of the quality of their products, not because of their lack of originality.
I dislike Behringer because of the quality of their products, not because of their lack of originality.
FretFire
SingedFingerologist
Re: Behringer RV600 rips of the Verbzilla..
At that price you could buy 3! Your #1, a backup, and one for parts that you'll inevitably need!
At that price you could buy 3! Your #1, a backup, and one for parts that you'll inevitably need!
