Behringer sued for cloning Boss pedals

[rinse_master]

Re: Behringer sued for cloning Boss pedals

I knew that was going to happen!

Me too, I thought the NAMM display was the Boss one in the magazine!

 

[Old Ghost]

Re: Behringer sued for cloning Boss pedals

You be the judge

http://www.behringer.com/EQ700/EQ700_medium.jpg

Electro-Harmonix lawsuit soon to follow! This is so ghetto :yell:

 

[zonniewiw]

Re: Behringer sued for cloning Boss pedals

Remember how Ibanez started ,

by making ripoff guitars

I won´t be supprised if this was Behringers next step .

Maybe a variax ripoff

Johnny

 

[nuntius]

Re: Behringer sued for cloning Boss pedals

I never even knew they did pedals :laugh2:

This I can understand...

 

[Nite_Maresz_25]

Re: Behringer sued for cloning Boss pedals

Those pedals look nothing like boss pedals IMO.

 

[AmirH]

Re: Behringer sued for cloning Boss pedals

crap- I gotta go buy em before they get pulled from the shelves!! I hate the expensive price of pedals.

 

[Quencho092]

Re: Behringer sued for cloning Boss pedals

this is so funny, ive never seen anything like it!

 

[FretFire]

Re: Behringer sued for cloning Boss pedals

Those pedals look nothing like boss pedals IMO.

:scratchch Really? They look like carbon copies to me, though it does look like they're starting to change colors pretty quickly now.

 

[sac]

Re: Behringer sued for cloning Boss pedals

Have you guys ever laid hands on a Behringer amp. If you do be careful you just might break it. Total garbage!

 

[Skarekrough]

Re: Behringer sued for cloning Boss pedals

The problem is that Behringer tends to reverse engineer designs, and cashes in on another company's work. That's one reason they can offer a lower price, no R&D. They're being sued because they're duplicating patented products.

First of all, circuits can't be copyrighted. "Reverse Engineering" these components isn't all that difficult. Anyone with a basic understanding of how to map a circuit can do it.

Secondly, I think it's important that R&D costs are brought into this conversation; it's something that everyone overlooks. How long ago were some of these pedals first offered? Ten years? I remember having a Metal Zone in high school in the late 80's.

Let's be fair....for $100 a pop with some of these pedals, of which we know the components and labor are nowhere near that cost, the financial volume of R&D is minimal over the lifespan. Some of these pedals cost the exact same as when they first came out. Despite the years of sales which should of recouped R&D costs they haven't dropped prices. And rarely have they changed much about them to merit the price as time goes on.

For this sort of greed I welcome Behringer coming out and eating ther lunch like this. They totally deserve it. Production has gone to cheaper locales and the price has remained constant.

As far as Electro-Haromonix goes, they deserve the same. Anyone who has cracked open an EH pedal is amazed by how astoundingly simple the circuit is and how little actual hardware is involved. The Holy Grail Reverb could fit in a case 1/8th the size of the pedal they use. And let's not talk reliability with them; they're like Harleys when they were having problems; you needed to buy two because it was guaranteed that one would always be in the shop.

The underlying litmus test of these devices is "will the consumer be easily misled". I agree, with the colors being what they are they stand a great chance of being confused by casual players. But most players aren't casual; most players research gear pretty thoroughly before they buy it.

What Behringer needs to do is change the colors, chuck a few bucks at some decent artists and interface folks to make them look different and then sit down with a fork and knife and eat a lunch provided by Boss' and EH arrogance.

 

[Grandor]

Re: Behringer sued for cloning Boss pedals

As soon as I saw this new line, I knew this was going to happen.

**** behringer. Thats what you get for copying **** like this and making crap products.

 

[Willis]

Re: Behringer sued for cloning Boss pedals

Behringer doubled the size of their R&D department.

They bought another Zerox machine.

 

[Skarekrough]

Re: Behringer sued for cloning Boss pedals

As soon as I saw this new line, I knew this was going to happen.

**** behringer. Thats what you get for copying **** like this and making crap products.

Considering the pedals have never actually been released to the public how do you know the quality of them?

Tell me straight out that for a $30 price point you wouldn't choose the Behringer product over what Boss charges. Two pedals that do the same thing; same components, same contruction, etc. One will cost you over a hundred bucks and one costs thirty....

Go ahead....say you enjoy paying seventy bucks extra. Say you just can' get enough of that good-old-fashioned down ****in' home paying seventy more bucks.


SAY IT!!!!!!

 

[B2D]

Re: Behringer sued for cloning Boss pedals

Behringer doubled the size of their R&D department.

They bought another Zerox machine.

:haha:

If Gibson got away with suing PRS for the Singlecut (which was a totally GHEY move on Gibbo's part and a bull**** case) then Roland will probably win this case. This time i think it's justified though. I mean they've always copied stuff (Pod-Vamp, Mackie stuff-mixers) but this just went too far this time. Copying guts is one thing... making carbon copies of something is another story.

These pedals were at NAMM (real ones LOL) and I swear to god from more than 12-15 feet away you couldn't tell the difference.

BTW has anyone else noticed that the pics of those pedals are actually computer models?

 

[Skarekrough]

Re: Behringer sued for cloning Boss pedals

:haha:

If Gibson got away with suing PRS for the Singlecut (which was a totally GHEY move on Gibbo's part and a bull**** case) then Roland will probably win this case.

Gibson won that case because PRS had a memo that went out that said "Hey! Let's make a Les Paul copy and eat some of Gibsons lunch!".


Apples and Oranges.

 

[FretFire]

Re: Behringer sued for cloning Boss pedals

Considering the pedals have never actually been released to the public how do you know the quality of them?

Tell me straight out that for a $30 price point you wouldn't choose the Behringer product over what Boss charges. Two pedals that do the same thing; same components, same contruction, etc. One will cost you over a hundred bucks and one costs thirty....

Go ahead....say you enjoy paying seventy bucks extra. Say you just can' get enough of that good-old-fashioned down ****in' home paying seventy more bucks.


SAY IT!!!!!!

I wouldn't choose the Behringer product over what Boss charges. Knowing Behringer, the cases on these things will be plastic (and according to people at NAMM, they were plastic). Why pay $30 bucks several times over ten years to replace a busted pedal when I could pay $50-60 (used prices, even SMARTER shoppers buy used) for a pedal that will probably outlive me? It's pretty simple IMO. You usually get what you pay for.

 

[Old Ghost]

Re: Behringer sued for cloning Boss pedals

First of all, circuits can't be copyrighted. "Reverse Engineering" these components isn't all that difficult. Anyone with a basic understanding of how to map a circuit can do it.

It's not called "Copyright" but it's called Patent. Boss actually have a Patent applied for their Assymetrical Clipping Circuit on some of their Overdrive Pedals.

 

[benji657]

Re: Behringer sued for cloning Boss pedals

im kinda confused..

you know..if you argue that the prs singlecut differs from the gibson les paul in some ways..you could argue that behringer pedals differ from the boss pedals...you can't deny that both have clear differences between their original parts..i saw more supporters for prs than for behringer.

if gibson won, shouldn't boss should win this case too?

 

[B2D]

Re: Behringer sued for cloning Boss pedals

Gibson won that case because PRS had a memo that went out that said "Hey! Let's make a Les Paul copy and eat some of Gibsons lunch!".


Apples and Oranges.

I did not know this... where did you find that bit of info?

Is there a site with full documentation of the whole deal?

 

[Zerberus]

Re: Behringer sued for cloning Boss pedals

It was about time.

I don´t have a problem with it , paying less for the same , if the sound is ok np......

I understand your reasoning , but as far as outright copies of products go: I´ll remind you of this sentence when someone steals your music and becomes famous. Or if you invent something, I´ll remind you of this when someone steals the idea and makes a fortune, while you got to do all the work.

Stealing designs is what ****ed up many of our economies in the first place. To stay with guitars and cars: ESP and Ibanez. If they hadn´t stolen ideas 20 years ago, and just offered them cheaper for 15 years, they wouldn´t be around anymore. And now the companioes that came up with those ideas, and constantly have new ones (most notably Gibson, Jackson and Fender) get to listen to "OH, they Copied Laiho´s Inlays" or "That´s just an M-II" etc, even though THEY are the ones that came up w/the ideas. ANd Now they´re struggling to get by in comparison, while the Knockoffs have upped their prices so far that they even cost MORE than the originals.

Makes me puke...

Theft of intellectual property is THE mass crime of the 21st century, and it needs to stop NOW. But it won´t if 6 billion Lemmmings keep buying the knockoffs "because they´re Cheaper" :evil:

What a lot of people don´t realize (and Behringer is a PERFECT example): To make it cheaper, you´ve gotta SAVE somewhere, that ALWAYS means lower quality to some extent, simple manufacturing fact. To take the example of mixing Consoles, I HAD a Behringer console. I no longer have onebecause it fell apart after 6 months of touring. Buying a new one would have pushed the cost up to about that of a Mackie, which I would have still had.

If you think it´s ok because it sounds the same, falls apart, and is outright stealing from the original Engineers AND the consumer, then that´s good for you. To me, it sucks


BTW, I dunno where BOSS pedals are made, but it wouldn´t surprise me if one of the main differences was that Boss are Jap or US (Or "western world") made, wheras the Behringer Ripoff is from China or some other country where humans are treated worse than catttle. Another thing to think about when Buying Behringer, Do you really want to be partially to blame when the Dictator buys a new Bamboo whipping stick?? Well then think again, because YOU JUST PAID FOR IT, knowingly and willingly

Serious though ; read this link it´s about mikes , the clones are everywhere it´s not just Behringer

http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/files/CF2A0C54CEECE33886256A80000F9319

Yep, and this is one of the maion reasons there are barely any new developments in Mics. Why waste hundreds of thousands in Research if all the profit is gonna be made by the first Chinese Company that stealy your idea and puts out a POS Mic at half the price

This is exactly what happens when everyone buys knockoffs. The originals stop happening, and soon you only have copies of copies to choose from.

It´s your decision, people. Make it wisely