Best Full-Sized neck bucker I've heard yet

I've been on a quest for years to come up with a neck humbucker that wasn't muddy/boomy, and that was articulate and clear for fast picking.

I experimented with variations on 40 ga wire winds, Firebirds hidden under full sized covers, minis hidden under full sized covers, etc. The firebirds do really well, but they seem to have an output limitation. No matter what magnet/wire you use or how you wind them, they don't seem to ever exceed a 'hot single-coil' level of output. In some things that works fine, but with a hotter bridge humbucker there is just too much difference. Adding more wire just makes them darker, using thinner wire shifts the tone a little but that's it, using ceramic makes them a tad brighter but not any louder.

Last night I came up with the closest thing I've heard yet. I started by swapping out a bunch of things through the neck of a Les Paul. That is probably the most demanding application for this, as the neck position on a Les Paul can turn even the brightest/tightest humbucker into a mud ball. After going through about 6 other things, I popped a Full Shred neck in there, which is about the best commercially available solution I've found for a lot of guitars. In the LP, it sounded great up high, but the low strings below about the 7th fret were just muddy and inarticulate.

So I thought about that for a minute, and though that what I really want is that type of high string tone but with a more single-coil response on the low strings. So I yanked the neck side coil pole pieces on ONLY the bottom three strings. That improved it a lot, but then of course the high strings didn't balance with the low strings. I tilted it so that the pickup was farther away on the high strings, then I raised pole pieces on the bridge side coil on each string until I got a balanced output on each string.

Result? AWESOME. That great articulate, chewy/liquid but still fat FSN high string sound is there, and there is no boom/mud at all in the bass. It doesn't thwack like a single coil on the low notes, but it does have single coil articulation when I play down low and balances very well. It reminded me quite a bit of early Yngwie tone he got with the HS-3 necks in that it was fat but very responsive and liquid at the same time. My only complaint is that it could be a little brighter/thwackier like a real single on the low strings, but it is a massive improvement over any other full sized bucker application I've tried, and they are legion.

Of course that can only be done on a bucker with two rows of adjustable screws, unless you want to tap out slugs, but I like the result so much I don't see a reason why I won't do that from now on.
 
Re: Best Full-Sized neck bucker I've heard yet

It's called the Seymour Duncan Jazz neck humbucker. I found it years ago myself and it's awesome indeed. Coming in a close second place is the Alnico II Pro of course.
 
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I do something similar as you.

The humbuckers in my most played guitar are ones I made where I removed the 3 slugs from each pole to make them a 3+3 type of format (looks like a Wide Range Humbucker). This makes a humbucker sound much more like a single coil than a humbucker IMO. The phase cancellation is drastically reduced. I also use magnetized rods/screws instead of a magnetic bar underneath though.
 
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My solution for clear neck HB's is unmatched coils and/or spin-a-split.
 
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My solution was also the Jazz, but if you tried that and it didn't cut it and this does then more power to you! Problem solving skills like that take people far.
 
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You know - what I took away from this is

a) You are very particular about your neck tone
b) You are winding pickups in search of that
c) The solution was pole adjustment

The adjustments you speak of are retry standard fair in these parts, I'd say. This isn't a standard place though…

Very cool that you finally found your tone. The double Hex rows are one of the reasons I like SuperD's. I can really tweak the tone.
 
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Kind of a cool solution, really. You made a 3/4ths humbucker. Single coil under the low strings and a humbucker under the high strings, balanced for output. Clever.
 
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I tried the jazz, used it for a few years in various guitars. Just not bright/tight enough. This board actually clued me in to the full shred, which is tighter and more articulate. I also tried the Dim. HFH, similar idea to the FS, though not the same winding idea at all (Dual resonance, larger wire), various other things.

I think overall I really like the firebird sound, but there just doesn't seem to be a way to get the output on them to go above a certain level and they can't compete with much more than a PAF in the bridge. I'd be curious to try the same trick I did on the full shred on a mini or a 40ga.
 
Re: Best Full-Sized neck bucker I've heard yet

My solution for clear neck HB's is unmatched coils and/or spin-a-split.

+1

The last bucker I wound did this quite well. It had mismatched coils. Can't remember exactly but I think it came out to 3.95k screw coil and 4.2k slug coil. It was very clear and articulate with tight bass. It had a very single coil like attack. I liked it but it was a bit too bright for my tastes.
 
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