Lucid_Lunatic
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Re: Best Les Paul for $1000
A used Standard or Classic from someone who is in a tight for cash.
A used Standard or Classic from someone who is in a tight for cash.
Best Les Paul for $1000
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UberMetalDood
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Re: Best Les Paul for $1000
If you get an Edwards, make sure it's the ones with the nitro finish. The poly finish sounds congested. Edwards LP's seem to keep a pretty good resale value, but If you don't mind the chambered bodies, Gibson LP studios can be even cheaper.
If you get an Edwards, make sure it's the ones with the nitro finish. The poly finish sounds congested. Edwards LP's seem to keep a pretty good resale value, but If you don't mind the chambered bodies, Gibson LP studios can be even cheaper.
JeffB
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Re: Best Les Paul for $1000
They are.
I'd rather have the standard (gloss) poly finish as it's "norma"l thickness. The Lacquer Taste is lacquer over a normal coat of poly. Super tone suck. It feels and looks like your guitar is coated with candle wax.
They are.
I'd rather have the standard (gloss) poly finish as it's "norma"l thickness. The Lacquer Taste is lacquer over a normal coat of poly. Super tone suck. It feels and looks like your guitar is coated with candle wax.
ItsaBass
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Re: Best Les Paul for $1000
Fender started spraying undercoats with Fullerplast in about 1963 to my recollection, and putting lacquer color and clear coats over it. Fullerplast was a nice impenetrable glove of synthetic material that is so tough it cannot be chemically stripped. It has to be sanded or baked off if you want to get rid of it. Then, a few years into the CBS ownership, when they started using poly, they didn't stop using lacquer. They'd use one type of finish for the color coats, and the other for the clearcoat over it...all on top of the Fullerplast. Using both synthetic and organic finishes together was the practice starting in the early '60's and continuing through the '70's (and probably the early '80's). My Musicmaster bass is lacquer clear coat over poly color coat. Sunbursts were poly clear coat over lacquer color coats for a time. Again, all over a synthetic sealer coat. And let's not forget that several Fender colors before 1963 were not nitrocellulose lacquer. They were synthetics clearcoated with lacquer.
So, in short, if mixing synthetic and organic finishes is a big no no for you, make sure you don't ever consider any Fender from 1963 through 1985, and even be wary of certain custom colors from before 1963.
Fender started spraying undercoats with Fullerplast in about 1963 to my recollection, and putting lacquer color and clear coats over it. Fullerplast was a nice impenetrable glove of synthetic material that is so tough it cannot be chemically stripped. It has to be sanded or baked off if you want to get rid of it. Then, a few years into the CBS ownership, when they started using poly, they didn't stop using lacquer. They'd use one type of finish for the color coats, and the other for the clearcoat over it...all on top of the Fullerplast. Using both synthetic and organic finishes together was the practice starting in the early '60's and continuing through the '70's (and probably the early '80's). My Musicmaster bass is lacquer clear coat over poly color coat. Sunbursts were poly clear coat over lacquer color coats for a time. Again, all over a synthetic sealer coat. And let's not forget that several Fender colors before 1963 were not nitrocellulose lacquer. They were synthetics clearcoated with lacquer.
So, in short, if mixing synthetic and organic finishes is a big no no for you, make sure you don't ever consider any Fender from 1963 through 1985, and even be wary of certain custom colors from before 1963.
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Hellion
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Re: Best Les Paul for $1000
If I were looking for a "new" Les Paul, I'd look for a mid 70's model that was played by a stomping rythym guy/gal. Look for a ton of fretwear in the first five frets. You can use this as a bargaining point. Refret if need be. My main Les Paul cost me $800, total $950 with the refret. She's not new, but I still think she's beautiful, and she sounds killer.
If I were looking for a "new" Les Paul, I'd look for a mid 70's model that was played by a stomping rythym guy/gal. Look for a ton of fretwear in the first five frets. You can use this as a bargaining point. Refret if need be. My main Les Paul cost me $800, total $950 with the refret. She's not new, but I still think she's beautiful, and she sounds killer.
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flangermann
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Re: Best Les Paul for $1000
Epiphone elitist flametop with russian caps .15neck .22 bridge sweet tone!
Epiphone elitist flametop with russian caps .15neck .22 bridge sweet tone!
SirJackdeFuzz
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drpietrzak
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Re: Best Les Paul for $1000
Used studio/Epi Tribute/Epi Anniverary/Epi Elite
If you like tall frets - ESP variations
Used studio/Epi Tribute/Epi Anniverary/Epi Elite
If you like tall frets - ESP variations
MetalManiac
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Re: Best Les Paul for $1000
Entirely different process, you can't even begin to compare.Theres virtually no similarities in the composition of the final coat of filler and paint.
The way they do it now is to blast a huge enormous amounts of tone stifling Grain fller several Phantoms thick, and then spray that with a a hard thick l 1000 leagues deep Poly( or maybe a cheap coat of Lacquer lke the Highway 1).
The Fullerplast was nothing like the goop they fill the wood with now.Do your homework!
Entirely different process, you can't even begin to compare.Theres virtually no similarities in the composition of the final coat of filler and paint.
The way they do it now is to blast a huge enormous amounts of tone stifling Grain fller several Phantoms thick, and then spray that with a a hard thick l 1000 leagues deep Poly( or maybe a cheap coat of Lacquer lke the Highway 1).
The Fullerplast was nothing like the goop they fill the wood with now.Do your homework!
drpietrzak
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Re: Best Les Paul for $1000
I am continually amazed at the wonderful players/artists I encounter here, studios, playing live, TV, and other places that seem to get amazing tone from what seems to be seriously flawed tools. While complimenting our group's playing this week I indicated I did very little really. Several of the group members indicated that they could not get those sounds from a chunk of wood. Maybe, maybe not. I do not think any of the tools we are discussing at this level are generally inadequate. We are discussing the art of tool build not function really. The real art is what you do with it.
I am continually amazed at the wonderful players/artists I encounter here, studios, playing live, TV, and other places that seem to get amazing tone from what seems to be seriously flawed tools. While complimenting our group's playing this week I indicated I did very little really. Several of the group members indicated that they could not get those sounds from a chunk of wood. Maybe, maybe not. I do not think any of the tools we are discussing at this level are generally inadequate. We are discussing the art of tool build not function really. The real art is what you do with it.
ItsaBass
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Re: Best Les Paul for $1000
I'm sorry, but that just ain't true. There are tons of similarities between Fullerplast and whatever plastic material is being used for undercoats today. Both are basically thick coats of plastic. If anything, Fullerplast is the more impenetrable, hard, and thick product. Have you ever seen it? Have you ever tried to get it off? Modern poly finishes strip with relative ease compared to anything coated in Fullerplast. And, yes, Fullerplast was SPRAYED on, 1000 leagues deep.
Entirely different process, you can't even begin to compare.Theres virtually no similarities in the composition of the final coat of filler and paint.
The way they do it now is to blast a huge enormous amounts of tone stifling Grain fller several Phantoms thick, and then spray that with a a hard thick l 1000 leagues deep Poly( or maybe a cheap coat of Lacquer lke the Highway 1).
The Fullerplast was nothing like the goop they fill the wood with now.Do your homework!
I'm sorry, but that just ain't true. There are tons of similarities between Fullerplast and whatever plastic material is being used for undercoats today. Both are basically thick coats of plastic. If anything, Fullerplast is the more impenetrable, hard, and thick product. Have you ever seen it? Have you ever tried to get it off? Modern poly finishes strip with relative ease compared to anything coated in Fullerplast. And, yes, Fullerplast was SPRAYED on, 1000 leagues deep.
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St_Genesius
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Re: Best Les Paul for $1000
I'd play that all the way to the bank, while a bunch of old men on the internet laughed about how I didn't have a "real" Les Paul.
I'd play that all the way to the bank, while a bunch of old men on the internet laughed about how I didn't have a "real" Les Paul.
J
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