Best Vintage HSS set up

stevef5150

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So here is the deal. I am building my first guitar. Soild body - ash with cherry top start-like body, maple neck with rosewood fretboard. While playing guitar for almost 30 years I never got in to experimenting with my pickups. So now that I am well into building it I need some help. Anyone with some ideas. Cheers for any help!
 
Re: Best Vintage HSS set up

Depends on what you want tonally. A 59, Seth Lover, or Antiquity in the bridge will get you vintage 50s/60s Gibson-style PAF tonal characteristics and the SSLs or Antiquities will get you the classic Strat tones.

However, that's if you're going for a "technically accurate" vintage tone from each position, and may not actually sound good together.
 
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I like the PG+/57-62/57-62 combo I installed in my brother's Alvarez "Strat".
 
Re: Best Vintage HSS set up

I am real close to putting Fralin Real 54s in the neck and middle and a Pearly in the bridge, will probably wire it with a blender as well. My internal debate is I also have a set of Fender Fat50s available that I could use in place of the Fralins - decisions, decisions...
 
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if you want classic strat tones get a pair of antiquity II surfers for the neck and middle. they are fantastic for old school strat tones. the ssl1 are a less expensive alternative with great tone.

for the bridge i would suggest an antiquity humbucker, maybe even a neck model. the brighter neck model will probably blend better tonally with the single coils and be a less drastic volume change as well. if youd like the extra push then a bridge model will work nicely. a 59 would be a less expensive alternative, again with the neck model potentially being a better match depending on your wants
 
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Thank yo all for your input. It is greatly appreciatied.
I have been thinking about the '59 with 2 ssl1's. Fits the buget too. But another consideration I have had was with going with a Little '59 to keep the traditional strat look and give me the option to put a single coil in if it is not the sound I want.
Now for another question.... Can I tap the Little '59?
 
Re: Best Vintage HSS set up

Thank yo all for your input. It is greatly appreciatied.
I have been thinking about the '59 with 2 ssl1's. Fits the buget too. But another consideration I have had was with going with a Little '59 to keep the traditional strat look and give me the option to put a single coil in if it is not the sound I want.
Now for another question.... Can I tap the Little '59?

Yes, and wire it up for series/ parallel if you like. Also you can use a "auto tap" where in position 2, on a 5 way switch, will get you middle and split (coil tap) lil59.
 
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I have a Lil 59 bridge
Area 58-neck
Area 61-middle

Very versatile and very nice.
 
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I've played that set up and it's nice. The 59' is very versatile and the SSL's bring to mind a nice 60's Strat.
 
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here's my vintage HSS setup

    • Pickups: Seymour Duncan
      • Neck: Seymour Duncan SSL-1 rwrp
      • Middle: Seymour Duncan SSL-1
      • Bridge: Seymour Duncan Brobucker overwound to 11k
    • Potentiometers: RSGuitarworks Custom Kit
      • Volume: 280k RSGuitarworks / CTS superpot (readout: 300k)
      • Tone 1: 250k RSGuitarworks / CTS pot (wired to neck and middle SSL-1s)
      • Tone 2: 500k RSGuitarworks / CTS pot (wired to brobucker)
    • Capacitors: LuxeRadio Vintage Reissues
      • Tone 1: Luxe 1957-1958 Phonebook .1uf/150v capacitor wired to tone control #1, controls neck and middle SSL-1
      • Tone 2: Luxe 1956 – 1960 “Bumblebee” .022uf / 400v PIO capacitor wired to tone control #2, controls Brobucker in bridge position
    • Switching: 5-way Lonestar Switching with AutoSplit in position 4
      • Position 1: Neck SSL-1rwrp (wired to tone control #1)
      • Position 2: Neck SSL-1rwrp in parallel with middle SSL-1 (wired to tone control #1)
      • Position 3: Middle SSL-1 (wired to tone control #1)
      • Position 4: Middle SSL-1 wired in parallel to inside coil of Brobucker in bridge (SSL-1 wired to tone control #1, Brobucker wired to tone control #2)
      • Position 5: Full Brobucker in bridge position in Series (wired to tone control #2)
      • Switch: Fender / CRL 5-way superswitch
    • Bridge:
      • Block: Callaham-Made Premium American Series Block made from Cold-Rolled UNS 1018 to match 1950s Stratocaster Specifications
      • Saddles: Callaham Hardened Steel saddles for American Series / American Deluxe Stratocaster with elongated string openings for reduced breakover angle
      • 5 American Series Springs to Stratocaster Claw, with claw clamped down
    • Neck: Screw upgrade Kit by Onyx Forge Guitars
      • 4x 10-32 thread, 18-8 stainless steel machine screws
      • 4x Stainless steel inserts for 10-32 thread machine screws
    • Miscellany:
      • AcmeGuitarWorks Solderless connector kit for hot wire, output wire, and ground wire, soldered to Volume Pot
      • Grounding wire connecting all 3 potentiometers together for further hum-reduction
One of the nice things with this setup is that it covers more than just the "visible electronics"; it also gets the proper caps to the proper pickups, and allows the amenity of a coil split to get a "strat quack" in position 2. From what I've noticed with my brobucker is that if you give it the right capacitor, it will absolutely sing when clean, and give that lovely AC/DC crunch as well. As far as the pots go, I came REAL close to getting an alessandro pots and caps kit, but their overall "holier than thou" attitude and prices convinced me to go with RSGuitarWorks for the pots and caps. Now that everyone is mentioning pickups, what caps are going with these pickups and what are the pot values?

Let's not tell Fender this idea, they already tried a "vintage HSS superstrat" with this:
http://www.themusiczoo.com/fendercu...terHSS_UltimateRelic_OlympicWhite_R44997.html
:dot:
 
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Re: Best Vintage HSS set up

here's my vintage HSS setup

  • Pups:
    • SSL-1rwrp (neck)
    • SSL-1 (middle)
    • Brobucker @ 11k (bridge)
  • Potentiometers: RSGuitarWorks custom setup.
    • 280k superpot for volume,
    • 250k tone for SSL-1s,
    • 500k for Brobucker
    • Full grounding wire connecting all 3 pots
  • Switching: 5-way Lonestar switching with autosplit for position 2 as follows:
    • Position 1: Full brobucker in series to tone #2
    • Position 2: Inside coil of brobucker in parallel with middle SSL-1 (tone #2 to BB and tone #1 to SSL-1)
    • Position 3: SSL-1 in middle position (Tone #1)
    • Position 4: SSL-1 in middle position in parallel with SSL-1rwrp in neck position (Tone #1)
    • Position 5: SSL-1rwrp (Tone #1)
    • (5-way Superswitch used)
  • Caps:
    • Luxe 1957-1958 "Phonebook" capacitor for the 2 SSL-1s (tone pot #1)
    • Luxe 1956-1960 "Bumblebee" replica cap for the Brobucker (tone pot #2)
One of the nice things with this setup is that it covers more than just the "visible electronics"; it also gets the proper caps to the proper pickups, and allows the amenity of a coil split to get a "strat quack" in position 2. From what I've noticed with my brobucker is that if you give it the right capacitor, it will absolutely sing when clean, and give that lovely AC/DC crunch as well. As far as the pots go, I came REAL close to getting an alessandro pots and caps kit, but their overall "holier than thou" attitude and prices convinced me to go with RSGuitarWorks for the pots and caps. Now that everyone is mentioning pickups, what caps are going with these pickups and what are the pot values?

Wow, you really thought it out and did your homework! Very cool that you used both cap values. It's good to see another fan of Luxe's work. I got the 57-58 phonebook cap and was very impressed with the quality of work they did.

So how do you like the superpot?

Do you like the BB split?

Let's not tell Fender this idea, they already tried a "vintage HSS superstrat" with this:
http://www.themusiczoo.com/fendercu...terHSS_UltimateRelic_OlympicWhite_R44997.html
:dot:

$6700? Oh c'mon don't be like that! The wear looks soooo, sooooo, authentic!

I'll take two!

Luke
 
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Wow, you really thought it out and did your homework! Very cool that you used both cap values. It's good to see another fan of Luxe's work. I got the 57-58 phonebook cap and was very impressed with the quality of work they did.

So how do you like the superpot?

Do you like the BB split?



$6700? Oh c'mon don't be like that! The wear looks soooo, sooooo, authentic!

I'll take two!

Luke


I love the superpot, it has a nice stiffness without seeming "stuck" and it stays where you put it. There is no play in it, you turn it somewhere, it stays exactly where it is. The audio taper for the superpot has a nice taper that doesn't have any jumpy spots, that is to say it doesn't go "dead, dead, dead, "fulltilt at 8!". If you want an amount of volume, it's there and because of its consistency and quality, it can in some cases negate the need for the "treble bleed mod". (Yes, they actually do retain a LOT of the high-end as you roll down the volume.) The tone knobs aren't superpots, but let me also say they have a very smooth, jumpless taper to them. There is no "dead before 8" and "sudden drop to mush at 4" that many CTS pots suffer, and whatever amount that you want to roll off can be rolled off (within the limits of the "k" value of the pot). What this means is that with the single coils, you can get anything from a buddy holly clean-fest at 10 on the tone, to hendrix's "red house" tone by turning down much of the high end.

The brobucker was an interesting case because I wanted to do a vintage HSS, but I wanted to do more than "just the surface". To me, it's analogous to restoring a '32 3-window to "original spec" and then dumping in a 427 SOHC under the hood. If you're going to get close to the PAF sound, some of it does come from having a bumblebee cap and a 500k pot. What I wanted was to get a LP-style sound out of a mahogany strat, and I think I got fairly close, even if I'll never quite get that famed sound. As far as it goes being split, it sounds fairly close to a normal strat in position 2, but with a bit of PAF grunt and extra sparkle mixed in. It really likes being split, however if 250k is used for it, it WILL choke the HB as a whole even only one coil is split. (Hence the "Lonestar wiring".) It really though works quite well with the RSGW kit, the 280k superpot (clocked at 300k), and its bumblebee cap both as a whole and when split. As far as using both phonebooks and bumblebees, it was simple... keep the parts vintage even if the end result is a little odd, gives it some more individuality, and gives it a little extra "vintage flavor" as well.

(It also doesn't hurt that I put in a callaham kit for that extra "vintage flavor" in the bridge :approve:)

As for that HSS Masterbuilt strat... If it wasn't given the "blackie treatment" (why does Fender do this to all their "heavy / super relics"?), it had a NOS charvel bridge, and was a closet classic / light relic, i'd be ALL over it. Fender has a nice idea combining some vintage aspects with overwound versions of "vintage pickups", but at that price and that amount of relicing, I'd rather have an HBS-1 and an absolutely devastating amp.

That's just my .02

Jason

updated previous post with all the goodies i used for HSS setup.
 
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has anyone else tried to mate the best of a vintagey strat with the best of the high-powered Jackson to see what develops? I see the idea has taken hold at Fender, they've expanded their HBS-1 lines, and the music zoo still has some of the 1960 HSS models with Floyds in them. I'd like to see what others have concocted in the time that's passed.
 
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Well right now I'm using a set of DMZ Areas (58 neck, 67 mid) with a PGn at the bridge. Since the PGn reads at 7.8k-ish it balances nicely, output and tone wise. That's my "noiseless" pickguard. I've got an SSS pickguard assembled with Surfers and an SSL-5 at the bridge as well, and I've been thinking of just using the Surfers with the PGn and I'm sure it'd sound like HSS heaven. The PGn really likes 250k pots since it's almost as bright as a stock SC, only it's got more balls. Jeremy once said the PGb had
 
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some Tele bridge pup-like qualities...I'd agree.

I've been gassing for a set of Klein 65's btw.

tc
 
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Since we're talking about HSS setups on Strats, which bridge hb's do you guys think yield good pos 2 tones?

tc
 
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I like the 59/custom hybrid for split tones - 7.2k in the bridge combines quite nicely with most vintage singles. Also, at 11.25k, its not too much hotter in the bridge that you have to change all of your settings.

edit: to OP - I had 2 surfers and a 59/custom hybrid - very vintage sounding but still able to cover a lot of ground. Hybrids aren't strictly vintage, but the sound they make could have been - somewhere between a p-90 and a humbucker.
 
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for the bridge i would suggest an antiquity humbucker, maybe even a neck model. the brighter neck model will probably blend better tonally with the single coils and be a less drastic volume change as well.

Dead on Jeremy, i had a Lonestrat set, phased out the PG+ and did in a 59N. Works better even with the TS Singles
 
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I'm still working on the vintage superstrat. New mods: a mil-spec switchcraft jack, and real schaller locking tuners (to replace the "F" ones fender uses now).

I'm also building a low output one, I'm going to have the CS make 2 4.5 to 5k single coils and use a '59n or a Jazz-n in the bridge. What do you think?

Jason
 
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