Big day at work: VHT, Bogner XTC, Nova, Goodsell...

Hot _Grits

Buttery Toneologist
As some of you may know, I help out at a boutique amp/pedal importer.

Yesterday we had a bumper crop of stuff in.

First up, we had a guy come in with a Diezel VH4 and a brand spanking new VHT Sig:X and matching 2x12. the Diezel was in the middle of a retube by the time I got to work (really nice guts, though), but the Sig:X was running. I've gotta say, a very impressive amp for modern metal. It has that silly-tight VHT feel, if you want, but can also be run looser, and the frequency range of the amp (running KT88s) was full with no harshness in any area. Brutal yet pleasant. The clean channel was also remarkably good, with nice spank, warmth and fullness. The crunch channel was decent, but had the kind of midrange congestion that I hear in the medium gain tones of decent midprice amps like the rockerverb and roadster. Definitely not as open and clear as a simpler, more vintage amp would sound for that application.

Unfortunately, the switching seemed to fritz out and the dirty channels went quiet and weird, so it went off to our tech. But it was cool while it lasted, and there's lots of options to explore.

Next up, we had a very talented young player come in with a Goodsell super 17 and THD 2x12. I only heard this setup briefly by itself, but it sounded like a nice low wattage amp, and a good open canvas for pedals (this guy is a pedal freak). I don't think it's something I'd buy compared to a 65 London, but it's also a decent chunk cheaper.

Next up we hooked up the TC Nova delay to the Goodsell and a Swart AST in stereo, and explored the ping pong delays, amongst other settings. Driven by a guy who can really do delay this was quite amazing to hear. We also tried the Nova Reverb, and both pedals are excellent and very flexible. Great if you need presets, too.

After that, we went through the Goodsell owner's pedalboard. he had the Cusack Tap-a-whirl (cool, solid tap trem, not as many weird options as the catalinbread or duncan though), the lovepedal eternity (very nice mid gain pedal), the Timmy (very nice XOTIC-style boost od) and the Lovepedal Big Cheese. This pedal was awesome, sort of a big muff with loads more tonal options and more clarity if needed. Shame it's out of production.

Once we got all that out of the way, I had a play with the new Bogner shipment. FINALLY I got to hear the vaunted XTC101B (with all trimmings) in action.

what can I say, it's a hell of an amp. It definitely has that compressed, easy to play Bogner feel, and for that reason, I'd love to hear the stripped down classic version and see how that differs. But it's all there: lots of very balanced, brit flavoured tones, with loads of gain if needed.

I can see why the plexi mode is so well loved. It has a beautiful plexi flavour, whilst also being very 'polite' for lack of a better term. What I mean is that it's not as raw, immediate and brutal as a real cranked plexi, but rather, a more compressed, warm, and even take on the sound. Very pleasant on the ear.

I didn't run the whole gamut of tweaks o get the clean channel at it's best, so the cleans sounded decent but not incredible. Perhaps when I have more time.

After that, I played the 'forgotten bogner': the Shiva 6l6. Now I played the EL34 recently, loved the cleans and didn't really like the overdrive. Predictably, the 6l6 model delivers an even nicer clean (and I mean a true top class clean, not 'good for a channel switcher'), but the real surprise was the lead channel. It was just killer, one of the nicest 6l6 overdrive tones I've heard. At this point, I have to say it's my favorite bogner tone.

Bonus: if you crank the clean channel right up you get a wonderful vintagey overdrive that's nice and loose, like an older fender, which is a cool option alongside the tighter lead channel. Superb amp.

So, after all that, and a few hours to rest our ears, We did some recording for the defendants record. The aim for the session was to add second guitar tracks and special overdubs. So we fired up the London and my tele, and got some killer low gain rhythm tones.

After that, I decided to try the tele with the 6l6 shiva, and replaced some earlier tracks I'd done with a 65 Soho. Listening back to the results (semihollow into Victoria double deluxe down the left, tele into Shiva down the right) I was totally knocked out with the tones. So as a result, I'll be booking an emergency session this week to get as much Shiva on the record as I can before it ships down country to a dealer...

A long day, but a hell of a lot of fun.
 
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Re: Big day at work: VHT, Bogner XTC, Nova, Goodsell...

WOW..... what a job you have... I guess it must be tough, but someone's got to do it... right? Lol. Great review HG... I'd love to try a Shiva, but as stated before... rare as Rickin' Horse Sh!t here!
 
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I would like to compare Sig-X and VH4 side by side...

I heard that sig-x is not as tight as the Pittbull UL...
 
Re: Big day at work: VHT, Bogner XTC, Nova, Goodsell...

Sounds like it beats workin' for a living, H_G!

Thanks for the insights.




Cheers.................................wahwah
 
Re: Big day at work: VHT, Bogner XTC, Nova, Goodsell...

I would like to compare Sig-X and VH4 side by side...

I heard that sig-x is not as tight as the Pittbull UL...

Well, it's hard for me, as (I've said before) I'm not a modern metal guy, so I'm more an observer than someone with a vested interest in things like high gain amp tightness. But it seemed to me that it could get ultralead-tight with the right settings, but could also be pushed into looser territory if desired.
 
Re: Big day at work: VHT, Bogner XTC, Nova, Goodsell...

Sounds like it beats workin' for a living, H_G!

Thanks for the insights.




Cheers.................................wahwah

Yeah, it's-a-not-a-so-bad.

Plus recording here has it's benefits. The amp list for The Defendants record sofar:

65 Soho and London
Swart STR
homebrew tweed princeton
Matamp Series 2000 and Green reissue head
Victoria Champ and Double Deluxe
Bogner Duende and Shiva 6l6

-horrible, horrible equipment. And it's getting worse. Divided by 13 are in the wind...
 
Re: Big day at work: VHT, Bogner XTC, Nova, Goodsell...

I would like to compare Sig-X and VH4 side by side...

I heard that sig-x is not as tight as the Pittbull UL...

No, the Sig-X isn't quite as tight as the ultra lead; but it is still pretty stupid tight! As the reviewer stated, you can pull some much more "forgiving" tones out of the Sig-X; the ultra lead is IMO always super fast and super tight!

The VH4 is the one amp that is IMHO "VHT tight" for high gain! My herbert is no slouch for tightness either! I can't wait until the new Diezel comes out!

Hey Daemon; what are Diezel prices like in Germany??
 
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No, the Sig-X isn't quite as tight as the ultra lead; but it is still pretty stupid tight! As the reviewer stated, you can pull some much more "forgiving" tones out of the Sig-X; the ultra lead is IMO always super fast and super tight!

The VH4 is the one amp that is IMHO "VHT tight" for high gain! My herbert is no slouch for tightness either! I can't wait until the new Diezel comes out!

Hey Daemon; what are Diezel prices like in Germany??
It's about 3,5k dollars...Sometimes cheaper...It depends where you buy them...Some buy directly form Peter (Stapfer) ,wich is a good deal anyways.

I don't think Peter Diezel is going to bring a new Hi-gain thing out.He is working on a Pre-amp...And i know that the VH4 is going to be history.
But soon enough to not to get a VH4...
I love the UL ,but VH4 is much cheaper her ,better service ,better re-sale value...And MIDI heheh:D
Cheers!
 
Re: Big day at work: VHT, Bogner XTC, Nova, Goodsell...

Sounds like a :cool3: day, M., but can any of them get funky?
 
Re: Big day at work: VHT, Bogner XTC, Nova, Goodsell...

Sounds like a :cool3: day, M., but can any of them get funky?

haha, all of them!

Heard the Diezel VH4 today. I've gotta say I was pretty underwhelmed. Four gain shades of a relatively Marshallesque tone, and not the kind of clarity or complexity I'd expect in such an uber expensive piece. A good amp but not a killer piece to my ears.
 
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nice reviews bro!!!

sounds like the 6L6 Shiva is the Filet Mignon to the Sirloin of my Traynor...lol!?
 
Re: Big day at work: VHT, Bogner XTC, Nova, Goodsell...

nice reviews bro!!!

sounds like the 6L6 Shiva is the Filet Mignon to the Sirloin of my Traynor...lol!?

Haha, perhaps!

-After further playing, it's really the overdrive channel of the 6l6 Shiva that slays me. The clean channel has a certain top end ring to it that is a little too blackface for my personal tastes. I understand why Reinhold voiced it that way, as most peoples' idea of a great clean is blackface twin/deluxe, whereas my tastes lean more toward brown vibroverb. It's a common issue I have with channel switchers. I'm sure I could mod it to taste, though.

Interestingly enough, Pete Thorn has posted up his new touring rig on TGP: one custom CAE head. Apparently the clean channel leans brownface...
 
Re: Big day at work: VHT, Bogner XTC, Nova, Goodsell...

haha, all of them!

Heard the Diezel VH4 today. I've gotta say I was pretty underwhelmed. Four gain shades of a relatively Marshallesque tone, and not the kind of clarity or complexity I'd expect in such an uber expensive piece. A good amp but not a killer piece to my ears.

I think the compression was what you didn't like about the VH4...
For my players ,this is the most negative part.And the tightness is the second problem.

I think you had a EL34...Try the KT77-88 versions.Or try those tubes and bias the beast.It's going to work totally different.
 
Re: Big day at work: VHT, Bogner XTC, Nova, Goodsell...

I think the compression was what you didn't like about the VH4...
For my players ,this is the most negative part.And the tightness is the second problem.

I think you had a EL34...Try the KT77-88 versions.Or try those tubes and bias the beast.It's going to work totally different.

That's a negative. It was all biased up nice with nicely matched KT88s.
 
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That's a negative. It was all biased up nice with nicely matched KT88s.

So you are truly a "Well driven Powermap" kind of player...Since the KT88 VH4 is the most "clean" sounding Distortion on Butique market.
That's definetly my kind of sound :D
 
Re: Big day at work: VHT, Bogner XTC, Nova, Goodsell...

How would you say the MI Audio Revelation stacks up against the XTC and Sig:X or even a much simpler amp such as a Rockerverb 50 (which I'm also interested in)?
 
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How would you say the MI Audio Revelation stacks up against the XTC and Sig:X or even a much simpler amp such as a Rockerverb 50 (which I'm also interested in)?

To my ears, the XTC is a fenderish EL34 clean channel and various gain levels of Marshall-esque tones from there on.

Whereas the MI Revelation has a wider palette of sounds: it can do a nice cranked bassman tone and a decent recto impersonation, as well as a few flavours of marshall.

The roadking-esque layout of the MI amp is also far easier to get straight to work with than the less-than-intuitive bogner control layout.

Overall, I'd say the XTC's plexi and blue channel tones were possibly more balanced and pleasant on the ear, but the MI amp has a more immediate, less compressed 'bogner feel'. Bear in mind that this is going on memory, and I haven't spent a ton of time with either amp, both of which are highly tweakable. Hopefully we get both in at the same time in future, so I can run the rule over them in detail.

It'd be really interesting to hear the sig:x alongside the MI. I'm guessing that the sig may have the more brutal metal tones, especially if you like tight, dry overdrive. The MI may win out for clean and pushed sounds. Again, I only had a taste of the sig before it fritzed out.

As for the rockerverb, I quite like that amp. But it's quite a different set of sounds to the MI. The cleans of the rockerverb lean slightly towards the deluxe reverb/tweed deluxe spectrum, whereas the MI is more twin/bassman. I remember the rockerverb to have quite a thick overdrive, so I imagine there's more clarity and definition available in the MI.
 
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I also had the opportunity last night to a-b the 6l6 and El84 shivas through a bogner 4x12 with V30s.

To my ears, the 6l6 Shiva had the nicer, more balanced overdrive sounds, thought the El34 head was much nicer than the combo I recently heard.

Conversely, I preferred the less toppy, richer cleans of the EL34 model. But I do lean away from blackface, so there ya go. The EL34's clean channel doesn't have the same cool cranked overdrive that the 6l6 has, though.
 
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Ah cheers for that, I better get down to the guitar store on the other side of town and try those amps for myself. They've got an XTC, Revelation and Rockerverb 50 all in stock.
 
Re: Big day at work: VHT, Bogner XTC, Nova, Goodsell...

Ah cheers for that, I better get down to the guitar store on the other side of town and try those amps for myself. They've got an XTC, Revelation and Rockerverb 50 all in stock.

Cool! -let me know what you think...
 
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