Black Label Tone Sucker Chorus

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Most MXR pedals are not true bypass... If you go on their website, there's a list of the different bypasses, and which are true bypass..

On My EVH Phase 90 and Flanger, when the pedals are off, the signal is routed through a resistor, which is the culprit sucking the tone. The solution is to place a buffer before those pedals- which sounds like the problem you're having.

You don''t want everything true bypass. On my pedalboard, I have my guitar going into my pedalboard. The first thing my guitar sees after the cable is a Boss TU-2 tuner, which has a buffer in it. After that, the signal goes through a true bypass CAE Wah, true bypass Digitech Whammy V, into a looper with the Phase 90 and EVH Flange, then a Boss NS-2, which again, has another buffer, to boost the signal before hitting the the input of the amp. Then you have my Effects send, which goes into a True bypass TC Electronics Corona Chorus, true bypass TC Electronics Transition Delay, True bypass TC Electronics Hall of Fame reverb, before going into the NS-2 again, acting as a buffer, to boost the signal before hitting the amp again.

According to Pedalsnake.com, ideally you want a buffer at the beginning and end of your signal chain, and avoid having more than 5 buffered pedals together.
 
Re: Black Label Tone Sucker Chorus

Most MXR pedals are not true bypass... If you go on their website, there's a list of the different bypasses, and which are true bypass..

On My EVH Phase 90 and Flanger, when the pedals are off, the signal is routed through a resistor, which is the culprit sucking the tone. The solution is to place a buffer before those pedals- which sounds like the problem you're having.

You don''t want everything true bypass. On my pedalboard, I have my guitar going into my pedalboard. The first thing my guitar sees after the cable is a Boss TU-2 tuner, which has a buffer in it. After that, the signal goes through a true bypass CAE Wah, true bypass Digitech Whammy V, into a looper with the Phase 90 and EVH Flange, then a Boss NS-2, which again, has another buffer, to boost the signal before hitting the the input of the amp. Then you have my Effects send, which goes into a True bypass TC Electronics Corona Chorus, true bypass TC Electronics Transition Delay, True bypass TC Electronics Hall of Fame reverb, before going into the NS-2 again, acting as a buffer, to boost the signal before hitting the amp again.

According to Pedalsnake.com, ideally you want a buffer at the beginning and end of your signal chain, and avoid having more than 5 buffered pedals together.

So if I put the pedal before the Wah, then it might work?
 
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So if I put the pedal before the Wah, then it might work?

The Chorus should be after the wah generally, but it won't correct your problem.

You need a buffer to overcome the resistance your signal is seeing when the pedal is off. If you have a Boss or Ibanez pedal lying around, they have good buffers.Put it first in your chain, even if you don't use it, when the pedal is off, the Boss or Ibanez pedal still send a buffered signal that will overcome the signal loss you're experiencing with the MXR pedal.

You could also put one of these mini buffers in the front of your chain, many people like them.

http://this1smyne.com/shop/mb-mini-buffer/
 
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The Chorus should be after the wah generally, but it won't correct your problem.

You need a buffer to overcome the resistance your signal is seeing when the pedal is off. If you have a Boss or Ibanez pedal lying around, they have good buffers.Put it first in your chain, even if you don't use it, when the pedal is off, the Boss or Ibanez pedal still send a buffered signal that will overcome the signal loss you're experiencing with the MXR pedal.

You could also put one of these mini buffers in the front of your chain, many people like them.

http://this1smyne.com/shop/mb-mini-buffer/

Read all his posts...it's not gain/treble loss.

He is having some kind of issue, said it sounds like rushing water...yet another buffer is not going to fix that...
 
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Read all his posts...it's not gain/treble loss.

He is having some kind of issue, said it sounds like rushing water...yet another buffer is not going to fix that...

I tried it through the effects loop, and it didn't hurt, but it's still not great. Maybe I got a defective unit, and it's still under warranty from Dunlop, so I might send it in and see what they think.
 
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I use a pretty straight forward setup. I have a Dunlop 535Q -> Tubescreamer -> 10 Band EQ -> the Chorus -> MXR Smart Gate. I use DiMarzio jumper cables for the pedals, and 18.6 ft Tweed Fender cables. That goes into a Peavey Windsor that I had rebiased for 6L6's (I like to have my distortion come from the box, so I can get really clean sounds from a one channel amp).

When I use the chorus in my chain, it almost forces me to keep it on all the time, because when it's bypassed, it gets this horrible noise that sounds like rushing water as well as sucking out all the mids. I literally had my 10 Band set for everything in the the mid range to be boosted while cutting all the treble and bass, and even then there was still no mids to be spoke of in my signal.

Also, according to Dunlop's most recent bypass list, the chorus is buffered.

Here's the link. Scroll all the way down, and there should be a picture that says expand. It's the list of all the Dunlop Electronics and what sort of bypass they have.
http://www.jimdunlop.com/blog/what-you-need-to-know-about-true-bypassing/

As a side note, I would use the Smart Gate just after the Wah and, set up to minimize the noise with your guitar's volume at full but iddle status (don't playing, hands off your fretboard, rest of pedals off).
At the end of your chain, it can be gatering your signal and then, sucking your tone.

About Chorus and other modulation and filter pedals, since they affect phase signal and some bands of frequencies, I've found absolutely a must to have a LEVEL or VOLUME control that allows you to restore the loudness after the effect. I am not talking about the mix or blend control that allows you to choose the mix of dry and wet signal, but the overall output loudness.
This kind of pedals often sound to us as if they were lowering the input dry volume at their wet output. Maybe it's just a psycho-accoustics thing but, it's usual.
By example, when you switch on an EH Small Stone, the volume seems to notablely drop.

An awesome Chorus true bypass, not tone sucker and with a level control is the Wampler Nirvana Chorus, not cheap, BTW.

Considere also to upgrade your guitar's cables (guitar-> pedalboard and pedalboard->amp).
Probably, those Fender Tweed cables are removing lot of high end that is being suddenly revealed when you switch on the buffered chorus. Since the buffer restores the signal strength and high-end content, if you had set up your up to enhance (the lost) high frequencies, when switching on the chorus' buffer you will have an excesive amount of high end that will make your sound thinner, tinner and hollower.

You can make your own awesome guitar cables with reasonablely priced and second to none Mogami 2524 bulk cable and some Neutrik jack plugs.
Those are in the same sonic ballpark of Evidence or Vovox cables but, way cheaper.
 
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I use a pretty straight forward setup. I have a Dunlop 535Q -> Tubescreamer -> 10 Band EQ -> the Chorus -> MXR Smart Gate.

Just something I noticed... you might want to put the Smart Gate between the Wah and the TS. Most professional guitarists I've seen recommend placing compressors so that it's one of the first things the guitar sees, after a wah or a tuner.

I tried it through the effects loop, and it didn't hurt, but it's still not great. Maybe I got a defective unit, and it's still under warranty from Dunlop, so I might send it in and see what they think.

Always a possibility.

Some other things to think of -

Is all of your equipment grounded?
Any possible sketchy cables in the mix?
How are you powering your effects? Power supplies have a HUGE impact on tone and noise levels.
 
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How are you powering your effects? Power supplies have a HUGE impact on tone and noise levels.

I won't be able to today or tomorrow, but I will try out the Smart Gate between the Wah and the Tubescreamer. I'm using a Dunlop DC Brick.
 
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I know what you mean, I taking back a Rockett Alien delay it sounds great even at true bypass it still sucks some tone. I dont want to loose any clarity with Bogner pedals, prb just get the TC Electronics delay I had there reverb with no problems. I tried the loop and the same thing, cant replace the cables too much for me now
 
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I ended up selling it at GC and then buying a Micro Chorus. It seems to be doing the job right now. I'm using it mostly for some clean single note chord arpeggio things ala Matt Bellamy in the songs we're writing. I keep the rate down at about 9 o'clock, and it gives it just enough wetness that the notes jump out a little better.
 
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I've had a standing rule for many years now:

Please, no one buy me guitar gear.
Gift cards from my favorite guitar store only.
 
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