Black Winter owner.... Feedback so far????

[Gone_Shootin]

Re: Black Winter owner.... Feedback so far????

I have checked some demo video with the BW and loved it, especially the beautiful the harmonic content it enhanced.
In one interesting demo video there were comparing 15 SD humbuckers, Nazgul (brilliant as well), JB, Custom... There was no pickup I disliked.

And now I am wondering if anyone has tried the Pegasus (with its particular fat response) on the neck together with a Black Winter on the bridge ?

And Nazgul neck + BW bridge ?

Personally I would like to use the Black Winter in a ash guitar, but my only ash guitar is set up to High strung tuning (à la Pink Floyd Hey You) and it is one which never change pickups.
Need another one... So next year...

Actually, the BWs would probably do well in that guitar. They pull off single coil tones very, very well when split. But that said, don't be surprised if you need to treat them like single coils in that ash body. If it's a bright piece of wood, these pickups will let you know. But if that happens, some 250k or 300k pots will solve that problem.

 

[Gone_Shootin]

Re: Black Winter owner.... Feedback so far????

FWIW, I don't recommend the '59/Distortion combo, lol. I have it in my Ibanez, and I think the Distortion way overpowers the puny '59 (even with the stock A5). Maybe a '59B in the neck would be a better match for the Distortion.

As far as the Nazgul in the neck with the BW in the bridge... why not? I have always had the theory that the Nazgul is somewhat of a tweaked Seymourizer (Distortion Neck), and the Black Winter neck is also just that.

Yeah, if I were looking for a neck pickup for a Distortion, I'd get one of the last two you mentioned, or maybe throw a Screamin' Demon in there.

 

[Francois]

Re: Black Winter owner.... Feedback so far????

Actually, the BWs would probably do well in that guitar. They pull off single coil tones very, very well when split. But that said, don't be surprised if you need to treat them like single coils in that ash body. If it's a bright piece of wood, these pickups will let you know. But if that happens, some 250k or 300k pots will solve that problem.

And neck P-Rail + bridge Black Winter (both with triple shots) in a SG ?
or neck SH-1 + bridge BW in a PE (close to an LP) ?
(This I could do soon)
This would give many combinations to try.... Strange ones, wild ones...

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Re: Black Winter owner.... Feedback so far????

or neck SH-1 + bridge BW in a PE (close to an LP) ?
(This I could do soon)

I highly doubt the '59-N could keep up with the BW-B.

 

[Francois]

Re: Black Winter owner.... Feedback so far????

I highly doubt the '59-N could keep up with the BW-B.

Only when the BW is splitted.

Pegasus neck does not exist ??? ( >>> Sentient)

 

[Ben1962]

Re: Black Winter owner.... Feedback so far????

Only when the BW is splitted.

Pegasus neck does not exist ??? ( >>> Sentient)

Correct

 

[weepingminotaur]

Re: Black Winter owner.... Feedback so far????

Yes, it is a further distance from the strings than usual. But without sacrificing any power, response or aggression.

I had mine further away from the strings at first, but couldn't get with the lack of power (at least, in my rig). The BW bridge sounded thin and weak compared to the neck. Now the bridge is closer to the strings and it's exactly the kind of cutting, mid-heavy aggression I wanted. Maybe a tad uncontrollable at times but I'm OK with that. Glad you're getting good tones out of yours at that distance!

 

[bldrst]

Re: Black Winter owner.... Feedback so far????

The thing about Black Winters is...

I think it is excellent news that we have a brother here who doesn't like the pairing of the 5150 III and the Winters. It is something to watch out for, especially if you only have one amp.

Does anyone else have a 5150 III and a Black Winter?

Good thread! I'm using a 5150 iii and seriously considering putting a pair in my Jackson RR1 (Rhoads V). I found the thread about magnet swapping a DD ceramic in the stock JB and agreed with that summation completely, unique and different than a DD and thought it improved the JB - not a favorite... but, an improvement; however, not enough IN my RR1. More background: I love my '78 in my GLPC; love my RTM in my solid maple Warmoth soloist; Invader in my solid maple Warmoth strat.

I'm interested in people's experience with a set of Black Winters in a Jackson RR1, the high end Rhoads V, or their preferred choice in that model. Overall, I find the jazz neck generally toneless and my "improved" JB is better - but not enough. And I'm not wanting to go active either...

Generally I prefer alnico 2 mags and ceramic, not a fan of 5's, haven't tried 8 yet, wanting to use my RR1 for metal, everything from Sabbath to Jeff Loomis, and Randy etc.

Anybody using a Black Winter set in their RR1 (w/ Floyd) along with a 5150 iii ?

 

[weepingminotaur]

Re: Black Winter owner.... Feedback so far????

Just popping in to say that I love how the Winter neck splits in my LP. Rolling down the volume with one coil produces some lovely jazz tones that range from mellow to snappy, depending on where the tone pot is at. Some unexpected and cool sounds coming out of the middle position, too -- articulate, clear, bright rather than warm, but with an underlying edge. Haven't experimented much with splitting the bridge but that's coming.

 

[weepingminotaur]

Re: Black Winter owner.... Feedback so far????

Question for the Winter aficionados out there: how are you getting good blues tones out of your guitar? I'm starting to really want to dial some blues tones (rhythm and lead) on my Epi LP, been reading up some on it, but I would love advice from anyone who's achieved good blues tones using a Winter-enabled axe.

Right now I'm conventionally thinking neck for rhythm, bridge for leads. (but maybe that's not correct?)

Tonight I got what I'd consider passable blues tones by splitting the BW neck, rolling the volume off, with amp (Marshall MG30CFX) crunch channel EQed to something like 3 bass / 9 mid / 7 treble / 5 gain. Your input would be appreciated!

 

[Lucy Diamond]

Re: Black Winter owner.... Feedback so far????

Just popping in to say that I love how the Winter neck splits in my LP. Rolling down the volume with one coil produces some lovely jazz tones that range from mellow to snappy, depending on where the tone pot is at. Some unexpected and cool sounds coming out of the middle position, too -- articulate, clear, bright rather than warm, but with an underlying edge. Haven't experimented much with splitting the bridge but that's coming.

I am SOOOOOO glad you said that because that's why I'm here today.

Someone in the pedalboards of doom forum on Facebook asked about a pickup with great cleans for a vintage lawsuit Ibanez Iceman and I replied "A Black Winter with the volume rolled off halfway. and No...I'm not kidding."


The dude says to me "I don't roll my volume."

:34: :dunno:


I can't.

I just can't even.

 

[Lucy Diamond]

Re: Black Winter owner.... Feedback so far????

Question for the Winter aficionados out there: how are you getting good blues tones out of your guitar? I'm starting to really want to dial some blues tones (rhythm and lead) on my Epi LP, been reading up some on it, but I would love advice from anyone who's achieved good blues tones using a Winter-enabled axe.

Right now I'm conventionally thinking neck for rhythm, bridge for leads. (but maybe that's not correct?)

Tonight I got what I'd consider passable blues tones by splitting the BW neck, rolling the volume off, with amp (Marshall MG30CFX) crunch channel EQed to something like 3 bass / 9 mid / 7 treble / 5 gain. Your input would be appreciated!

Ultimately, it is up to your ears. If you are getting happy, you are doing something right.

Everything you are doing is right where the Winters are concerned. Since they are pretty much the same pickup throughout the taper though, find a sound you like with them at full (guitar) volume and then roll off to taste. They are oddly magical that way.

You can also dial the Marshall to the point of breakup and then slam the front end with the Winters...almost like a boost pedal. (Honestly...there's THAT much output.)

If you are partial to an overdrive pedal, I really like the idea of lowering the gain on the pedal and just hitting it with Winter.


OH!!!! Also...the Clapton "woman tone" trick works great!!! Both pickups, roll the tone down on the neck. Even if you don't want to mess with the neck tone, both pickups together will still get you an insanely wide range of usable tones.

Good luck and if I missed anything, hit me up \m/,


~LD

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Re: Black Winter owner.... Feedback so far????

Just wondering: Other than the Black Winter Neck, which rules, what do you guys pair with your Black Winter Bridge? I got a new guitar in which I put a BW in the bridge. I initially had a '59B in the neck. Didn't like it. Too scooped and boomy. I then tried a DiMarzio PAF 36th Anniversary... kinda boomy too, though not as much, but it's way underpowered and won't keep up with the BW-B. I have a BW-N in another guitar, but I think I want to try something different in this one.

 

[Ben1962]

Re: Black Winter owner.... Feedback so far????

Just wondering: Other than the Black Winter Neck, which rules, what do you guys pair with your Black Winter Bridge? I got a new guitar in which I put a BW in the bridge. I initially had a '59B in the neck. Didn't like it. Too scooped and boomy. I then tried a DiMarzio PAF 36th Anniversary... kinda boomy too, though not as much, but it's way underpowered and won't keep up with the BW-B. I have a BW-N in another guitar, but I think I want to try something different in this one.

Wonder what the Naz in the neck would sound like?

 

[Dahla]

Black Winter owner.... Feedback so far????

Just wondering: Other than the Black Winter Neck, which rules, what do you guys pair with your Black Winter Bridge? I got a new guitar in which I put a BW in the bridge. I initially had a '59B in the neck. Didn't like it. Too scooped and boomy. I then tried a DiMarzio PAF 36th Anniversary... kinda boomy too, though not as much, but it's way underpowered and won't keep up with the BW-B. I have a BW-N in another guitar, but I think I want to try something different in this one.

Well, a Sentient might work. More scooped than the jazz, more mids than the 59N. Output might be an issue though. Maybe the DDn, or even a demon?


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[weepingminotaur]

Re: Black Winter owner.... Feedback so far????

Someone in the pedalboards of doom forum on Facebook asked about a pickup with great cleans for a vintage lawsuit Ibanez Iceman and I replied "A Black Winter with the volume rolled off halfway. and No...I'm not kidding."


The dude says to me "I don't roll my volume."

:34: :dunno:


I can't.

I just can't even.

:34: I mean, it took me a while to appreciate just how much range you can get when rolling off the volume, but to be set against it? Hard to fathom.

Ultimately, it is up to your ears. If you are getting happy, you are doing something right.

Everything you are doing is right where the Winters are concerned. Since they are pretty much the same pickup throughout the taper though, find a sound you like with them at full (guitar) volume and then roll off to taste. They are oddly magical that way.

You can also dial the Marshall to the point of breakup and then slam the front end with the Winters...almost like a boost pedal. (Honestly...there's THAT much output.)

If you are partial to an overdrive pedal, I really like the idea of lowering the gain on the pedal and just hitting it with Winter.


OH!!!! Also...the Clapton "woman tone" trick works great!!! Both pickups, roll the tone down on the neck. Even if you don't want to mess with the neck tone, both pickups together will still get you an insanely wide range of usable tones.

Good luck and if I missed anything, hit me up \m/,


~LD

Amazing. Thank you! I will def try the both pups with neck tone rolled down.

 

[weepingminotaur]

Re: Black Winter owner.... Feedback so far????

Well, a Sentient might work. More scooped than the jazz, more mids than the 59N. Output might be an issue though. Maybe the DDn, or even a demon?

I dunno, the Sentient is frequently paired with the Nazgul, which is plenty high output. I've never felt the Sentient in my Schecter is unable to keep up with the Nazgul.

 

[Van Noord]

Re: Black Winter owner.... Feedback so far????

Just wondering: Other than the Black Winter Neck, which rules, what do you guys pair with your Black Winter Bridge? I got a new guitar in which I put a BW in the bridge. I initially had a '59B in the neck. Didn't like it. Too scooped and boomy. I then tried a DiMarzio PAF 36th Anniversary... kinda boomy too, though not as much, but it's way underpowered and won't keep up with the BW-B. I have a BW-N in another guitar, but I think I want to try something different in this one.

Laugh, but I paired mine with a cheap Epiphone neck humbucker. Although much, much, much lower output than the BW, it actually matches it's volume. It's clear as a bell, has a solid dose of mids and is not boomy at all. It actually pulls off some really nice pushed, hollow Strat-like blues neck tones. Matter of fact I was just playing it today for close to a half hour alone.

 

[Rex_Rocker]

Re: Black Winter owner.... Feedback so far????

Check this out, dudes... this waveform is my guitar plugged into my interface. The first half is the PAF 36th Anni in the neck. Then I switch pickups and the HUGE spikes are the Black Winter. Both are set at about the same distance from the strings...



Yeah... I need a new neck pickup, LOL.

 

[Mincer]

Re: Black Winter owner.... Feedback so far????

Just wondering: Other than the Black Winter Neck, which rules, what do you guys pair with your Black Winter Bridge? I got a new guitar in which I put a BW in the bridge. I initially had a '59B in the neck. Didn't like it. Too scooped and boomy. I then tried a DiMarzio PAF 36th Anniversary... kinda boomy too, though not as much, but it's way underpowered and won't keep up with the BW-B. I have a BW-N in another guitar, but I think I want to try something different in this one.

I say either the Slash or Alnico II Pro. Same type of eq profile, but more touch-sensitive/bigger dynamic range. An Invader neck is also a great choice.