Black winter vs distortion

BigOrra

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What are the main differences between these pickups? I've heard that the black winter is bit brighter but more versatile than the distortion. I need help deciding which one to get for an esp ltd kh (alder body maple neck rosewood fretboard and Floyd). I will be mainly playing thrash metal through a marshall dsl40c boosted with a tubescreamer.


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I would help you Big Orra, but I have never tried the Black Winter before, so I guess I'm at a.....
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I would say that the Distortion would be a better fit for you as it is a little bit darker and your guitar is a pretty bright instrument, spec wise.
 
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Yeah, but I also forgot to mention the versatility that I need, so is the distortion versatile enough for good cleans and some blues?


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I love the Distortion. Never played Black Winters.

I think Lucy Diamond is a tad late to the party?
 
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Yeah, but I also forgot to mention the versatility that I need, so is the distortion versatile enough for good cleans and some blues?


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Well I have a distortion in the bridge of my guitars and it does clean pretty well. It can even rock a classic Aerosmith tune if I'm so inclined. It's a surprisingly versatile pickup.
 
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My Charvel SoCal (which has Distortions) is pretty similar spec-wise (alder body, maple neck, FR). It's a killer for thrash metal, it's the closest I get to that bone-dry in-your-face Reign in Blood sound, but it's somewhat limited. You can do clean and crunch with it, but you can always hear it's a metal pickup. The sound isn't very open, don't know how to call it, it's mid-heavy, tight, compressed, or something. The clean sound is on the dry, harsh side, similar to what you know from clean parts on thrash metal albums, I can't get any more "classic", juicy clean sounds out of it. Crunch is similar, it works, but is pretty dry and harsh.

Another thing is that I don't like the Distortion neck, it's just too muffled for my liking, but then, thrash metal isn't known for using the neck a lot anyway. You might want to use a guitar's neck for lush blues solos and such, but with its dry tightness it's crap for that too. Overall, in my opinion the Distortion neck is fairly useless. A neck pickup with tone characteristics for a metal style that doesn't use neck pickups. In my opinion!

The BW is MUCH more versatile. It's very bright and open, almost like a single coil, only that it's a high output humbucker. First choice for black metal, not quite as good for thrash as the Distortion, but it gives you lovely, rich clean and crunch sounds. I find it excellent for overdriving a valve amp's clean channel to give you some sweet vintage blues sound. Mind that the bridge is very bright, maybe a bit too bright for some. The neck however is absolutely brilliant, for everyone I imagine. I used to be someone who only uses the bridge pickup, but the BW neck has sparkling highs that give it an overall very balanced, full sound, excellent for clean and blues, and even some fatter high gain riffing (think Black Sabbath). It opened my eyes for how good a neck pickup can be.

So: Distortion if thrash is what you really want, BW if you want great versatility. The Distortion excels at 80s metal sound, the BW covers a much wider range from vintage to modern, clean and high gain.

In theory, BW neck + Distortion bridge should be a killer combo, but I haven't tried that yet. But I'm considering replacing the Charvel's neck with a BW, that should make it much more versatile while still keeping it a badass thrash machine with the Distortion bridge. Maybe that's what you're looking for too, but again, I haven't tried it.
 
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Perhaps my ears misconstrue the gritty uppermids of the distortion as 'brighter', but IMHO, the distortion is a lot brighter than the BW. The distortion is tighter, more aggressive but the BW is fatter, kinder in its character, hotter and more importantly: more versatile.
 
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I thought about that too. I think the Distortion has more mids/upper mids while the BW has more treble. That's why I think the BW is brighter.
 
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I love the discussions about which is brighter. At that level of brightness…does it matter?
 
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I think it does when I want more sparkling highs for my clean sound. The Distortion is all about mids and upper mids, which is great, but imo leaves something to be desired for clean and crunch. Or black metal.
 
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I have to agree with Orpheo, the Distortion is much brighter than the BW, and the BW is way more versatile. I can use the BW for clean and semi-distorted just fine, but the Distortion oitput and treble response really wants high gain. The BW sounds really warm by comparison.
 
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