Black Winter vs SD custom shop Tyrannotitan

[Dark Order Lord]

Ok, judge for yourselves, I didn't bother making a video, too time consuming. Recorded with the iphone mic sitting infront of a Marshall VS30 a low volume. I was right all along. Same coils just different poles and magnets, the TT has a single 5mm ceramic mag, golden insulation coloured coils, 12 screws poles.... the BW has triple 5mm thick ceramic mags, reddish coloured insulated coil, standard paf poles....






I am sticking with the Tyrannotitans......

 

[CTN]

Re: Black Winter vs SD custom shop Tyrannotitan

interesting. the black winter seems to have more of a middy crunch whereas your TT seems to be a bit more open and with bigger, growlier low-mids, but other than that, very similar.

 

[Dark Order Lord]

Re: Black Winter vs SD custom shop Tyrannotitan

The damm soundclouds aren't showing up right......

 

[darthphineas]

Re: Black Winter vs SD custom shop Tyrannotitan

Same coils? How so?

You say the wire is different. Even if it is the exact same wind, that alone makes them finally different. And didn't you say you asked your CS pickup to be a variant of the DD? Please elaborate?


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[CTN]

Re: Black Winter vs SD custom shop Tyrannotitan

showed up fine for me.......

 

[Dark Order Lord]

Re: Black Winter vs SD custom shop Tyrannotitan

showed up fine for me.......

Ah, its my ipad.....

 

[Dark Order Lord]

Re: Black Winter vs SD custom shop Tyrannotitan

Same coils? How so?

You say the wire is different. Even if it is the exact same wind, that alone makes them finally different. And didn't you say you asked your CS pickup to be a variant of the DD? Please elaborate?


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Did you have a listen?????

 

[Dark Order Lord]

Re: Black Winter vs SD custom shop Tyrannotitan

Same coils? How so?

You say the wire is different. Even if it is the exact same wind, that alone makes them finally different. And didn't you say you asked your CS pickup to be a variant of the DD? Please elaborate?


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Look, my custom shop TT's have the same coil colour difference the first has golden and the second has the reddish - the latter has a little less growl (see the second video I made with the two V's through the TSL100) but other than that the were the same, and then I noticed a new Black Winter that arrived the other day at my work which has the golden coloured coil, and the older BW that I bought has the red. So why would SD do that with factory production if it changed the sound.

I am pretty sure the sound differences are the poles and the amount of magnets in this case.

 

[CTN]

Re: Black Winter vs SD custom shop Tyrannotitan

Ah, its my ipad.....

lol that'd do it. soundcloud player is flash based. apple no like flash.

 

[guitarjunkie986]

Re: Black Winter vs SD custom shop Tyrannotitan

iPhone mic isn't exactly going to be the best way to show the differences between pickups. I bet if you added an SH-6 Distortion into the mix, there wouldn't be much of a difference either.

 

[Dark Order Lord]

Re: Black Winter vs SD custom shop Tyrannotitan

iPhone mic isn't exactly going to be the best way to show the differences between pickups. I bet if you added an SH-6 Distortion into the mix, there wouldn't be much of a difference either.

Trust me the differences are not huge, if that iphone mic can pick it than proper miking will just have more detail. I am setting up my multitrack so give it time, but these clips should give you enough

 

[darthphineas]

Re: Black Winter vs SD custom shop Tyrannotitan

iPhone mic isn't exactly going to be the best way to show the differences between pickups. I bet if you added an SH-6 Distortion into the mix, there wouldn't be much of a difference either.

+1


Like I suggested in the other thread where this notion was brought up, SD didn't take your idea for the basis of the BW. Timelines don't add up. Your original posting about the idea for your CS order was a variation of he DD. Have you done a similar comparison with the DD, as suggested by junkie986?

Now, if SD saw your request and modded a BW.....that would be more plausible.




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[EDX]

Re: Black Winter vs SD custom shop Tyrannotitan

actually i think TT and BW are actually kind of the same goal, a more balanced and clearer mids DD, just two ways of it, one being hotter than the actual distortion (BW) and the other the same output, finally the diference being extra mags (they actually does more than output) and the poles 12 screw (gibson DF style on TT) and screws/slugs (on BW), so asume the coils are basically the same is not wrong at all, they are a tweak made to the 2nd member of the JB wind family.

in resume, i think that when dark lord made his CS order MJ saw that the thing he was asking was almost what they were doing with the BW just at the same DD output...

 

[Dark Order Lord]

Re: Black Winter vs SD custom shop Tyrannotitan

+1


Like I suggested in the other thread where this notion was brought up, SD didn't take your idea for the basis of the BW. Timelines don't add up. Your original posting about the idea for your CS order was a variation of he DD. Have you done a similar comparison with the DD, as suggested by junkie986?

Now, if SD saw your request and modded a BW.....that would be more plausible.




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Dude, my first TT was ordered in october 2012, before the BW came out, then my second in June 2013. When I ordered it originaly I gave MJ my specs and she said "i have a a pickup very close to those specs, it will be a great pickup", which means the custom shop already had the specs for a BW for who knows how long.

Thats not the point I'm making, i never said that 'SD made the BW from the TT.... Blah blah blah', rather I only ever said that I suspected that they were both the same spec'd pickup, and I was right. My specs to MJ was to have 12 screws poles and a single 5mm ceramic and the sound to be clearer faster tracking mids. You are taking me out of context dude.

Plus you know that I already made a video comparing the DD and the TT, I don't really want to repost it, but :chairshot

 

[Dark Order Lord]

Re: Black Winter vs SD custom shop Tyrannotitan

actually i think TT and BW are actually kind of the same goal, a more balanced and clearer mids DD, just two ways of it, one being hotter than the actual distortion (BW) and the other the same output, finally the diference being extra mags (they actually does more than output) and the poles 12 screw (gibson DF style on TT) and screws/slugs (on BW), so asume the coils are basically the same is not wrong at all, they are a tweak made to the 2nd member of the JB wind family.

in resume, i think that when dark lord made his CS order MJ saw that the thing he was asking was almost what they were doing with the BW just at the same DD output...

Dude, spot on. Besides, even though I actually like my TT better, if I were to choose a factory floor model, I'd definitely choose the Black Winter 100%.

 

[Dark Order Lord]

Re: Black Winter vs SD custom shop Tyrannotitan

interesting. the black winter seems to have more of a middy crunch whereas your TT seems to be a bit more open and with bigger, growlier low-mids, but other than that, very similar.

Spot on dude, I like em both, they both have charms, but for my Scott Ian/Kerry King tone the TT seems to be the one, but just by an 'arms length' win (swimming race analogy)

 

[darthphineas]

Re: Black Winter vs SD custom shop Tyrannotitan

actually i think TT and BW are actually kind of the same goal, a more balanced and clearer mids DD, just two ways of it...

I think you nailed it there. Two ways of approaching a niche market for variation in a high output, or distortion, pickup.

There are plenty of people in the business world that could have been *twirls mustache* "hmmmm, this guy want something identical to the BW that we already have so let's just tell him its different". MJ is not that type.


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[Dark Order Lord]

Re: Black Winter vs SD custom shop Tyrannotitan

I think you nailed it there. Two ways of approaching a niche market for variation in a high output, or distortion, pickup.

There are plenty of people in the business world that could have been *twirls mustache* "hmmmm, this guy want something identical to the BW that we already have so let's just tell him its different". MJ is not that type.


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..........wut..............

 

[EDX]

Re: Black Winter vs SD custom shop Tyrannotitan

again there are tone diferences, subtle, but there are, i think that if dark lord were the scooped mids thrash guy the diference couldn't be heared...

 

[Dark Order Lord]

Re: Black Winter vs SD custom shop Tyrannotitan

again there are tone diferences, subtle, but there are, i think that if dark lord were the scooped mids thrash guy the diference couldn't be heared...

I'm mids on 8 type of guy. My typical Marshall setting in bass10 mids8 treble7 presence8 deep switch on or off depending on the room