blackouts and emg's rantaliscous

fullfistrock21

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so ya i havent tried blackouts, but i hear they are the seymournized versions of emg and i read the description and heard all the hype. basically a zakk wylde set that has a 10 % urgrade in dynamics warmth and silence. okay whatever, it seems to me that probably one of the reasons all the former not really famous emg users are switching over is because they want to be known for using blackouts first like zakk wylde, metalica and slayer got their names further recognized for being one of the first of many famous people to use and endorse emg's. ive played tyhe 81 and th 85 and they do exactly what they are described to do on their website hehe.
sure th 81 isnt a clean beast but with gain its perfect and is always clear no matter how much gain you give it which isnt true about a lot of pickups. the 85 sounds great clean and dirty in the neck. i never really use any bridge pickup for clean anyways its too trebley. Also yes the guitar that they go in matter and they do take on the sound of a guitar. Ive found thicker mahogany guitars like a les paul sound great with them. or somthing with a warm resonating body and a warm fretboard. they sound beefy that way. they sound pretty good in solosist rg type guitars too, they sound fine in cheap guitars but better in quality ones.
Anyways i think they are great, but i just dont like it when other companies copy or copy and improve slightly on another companies idea, dimarzio did the same thing and bare knuckle did too. ive found this is true with everything even vitamin water i just thought blackouts should have been a tad more different at least different looking like shiny black metal covers, you know not entirely copying the emg look, that way it would be more of a reason to get them because it would somthing emg didnt offer. I dont think the 81 sounds sterile because i know what it's for .....high gain soloing!! even with just regular crunch i thought they were great. they are not gunna give a normal paf gibson sound, hehe a lot of dumb people expect that and say its crap because they are dumb. but whatever i played emg single coils too and they were good also. Anyways this is the only seymour duncan i have a problem with because its like a 90% copy of somthing that already exists in anothr company. I lve duncans though every one ive tried i loved.
 
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I'm no tech buff or pickup guru; but I wouldn't say that the Blackouts are a copy...

or at least in the same way that most pickups out there are a slight variation on wrapped coils sitting on top of a magnet. When you have a very specific technology constraints, you can't really go all out and start making crazy changes.


I would try them out first before complaining; I could definitely see if the Blackouts sound like EMG clones with near Idendtical voicing/tone/feel etc; why you would complain.
 
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I'm no tech buff or pickup guru; but I wouldn't say that the Blackouts are a copy...
They're described by the Duncan people as being the improved versions of the 81 & 85.

As far as taking issue with the improving thing.... that's what pretty much everything is. Very few products are actually a brand new thing, but just a slightly *better* version of something that came prior to.
 
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I would agree that you may want to try a set out - they are different enough.
 
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Blackouts vs Emg's = more tone and less fuzz. EMG's are brilliant though but the Blackouts are slightly better. If you are using emg's and happy with them then there is no real reason to swap them for Blackout's.

Just my three cents c",)
 
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Does that mean that you hate every PAF copy, humbucker copy, every singel coil copy (p90 included) every strat copy (and every super strat aswell), every les paul copy and lets face it every piece of wood with strings on it?

Well seriously every company has copied from someone, regardingless if they are making guitars, cars or airplanes, and inproving it. EMG was the first company how got acknowledged for their active pickups for guitars, and they made great money on it, do you really think that it is strange or wrong for other companies to follow?
 
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the livewires are seymourduncans active pickups they are great, as for the rest of the pickups seymour has they dont really copy anyone elses products as closely as the blackouts the spokesperson himself said that if you know what emgs sound like you know 90% of what balckouts sound like. basically seymournized tone ya know. anyways the emg's dont seem fuzzy or noisy and definately not sterile IMO but i will try blackouts, im just sayin they are based on a design tht already exists, i just think it would be cool ya know mayb making a whole active line based on their most popular passive designs, like pearly gates, 59 etc.
 
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Livewires are probably great and yes I think it would be great if they did and active version of the custom, 59 etc. But they wanted to get EMGs customers. It is money sadly..
 
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Money, sadly??

That's what every business should do to stay at the top. Make money!
And how does any business make money? Give people what they want!

This has got to be one of the most pointless threads I've seen here.
I've used EMG's since '91 and switched to Blackouts because it improved on some basic things I never liked about EMG's. How is that a bad business move on the part of SD?
It's not!
 
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ill agree. blackouts are just slightly different versions of emgs. but i never liked actives anyway, its just a mental thing i guess. my co guitarist loves actives, particularly emgs but he wants to get the blackouts. but i wouldnt say blackouts are rip offs. in fact, emg does not make one pickup i want. however, i will get a blackout metal in my shreder one pickup guitar.:D
 
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One of the first things your original post tried to do is dismiss the Blackouts as being 10% better than EMGs...well, as a person who doesn't have any active pickups, I'd rather get the ones that are 10% better than the ones that...aren't.

Next you say that artists who are switching to Blackouts are doing it to seem 'original'...well I don't know who you're talking about, and while I'm sure you could name names I doubt you know any of them personally...so you could be right, but if I was a marginally successful touring musician in the fiercely competitive 'fringes' of the metal community, I would try to get any advantage I could...even if it's just 10%.

The rest of your original post is a mini-review of the 'Zakk' set that everybody expects to hear, you like them a lot and they do what they do. Then you say you have a 'problem' with the Blackouts, having never even tried them but based solely upon what you've read online...claiming it's the only 'copy' in Duncan's line.

How convenient to forget the 59, a copy of A5 PAF's, or the Seth Lover, a copy of the first humbucker, or the JB / Jazz, a copy of a customized set for Jeff Beck...:smokin:

I mean the whole Seymour Duncan company is about taking a popular pickup 'idea' and perfecting it...I bet the Blackouts just happened because Seymour was tired of passives, and even more tired of metal players dismissing his products entirely. He identified the style -- neck pickup for cleans and crunchy rhythms, bridge for leads -- and made the best pickups he could for it. What's the problem?

My advice to you, bro: Quit hatin, just cuz we flossin and you're stuck in the 80's, a'ight? I mean maybe if you weren't steady hatin you'd be ballin too, y'know what i'm sayin g?
 
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Re: blackouts and emg's rantaliscous

Dude i can understand and respect your opinion BUT the duncan blackouts are NOTHING like the 81/85 set
except in the look and quick connect wire.
i have a axe with the emgs and a axe with the newer blackouts ESP eclipse and a ESP MII
and tonally they have very little in common
the BO's may LOOK like the EMG's but that is where the comparisons must stop.
plugged in the BO's sound like very powerful/tone plenty passives but have all the benefits of the great actives out there like
EMG, bartolini,etc
I have never tried a active that made me feel like i was playing n a set of passives till the BO's came out.
buy a set put em in and see and hear for yourself;)
 
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Dude i can understand and respect your opinion BUT the duncan blackouts are NOTHING like the 81/85 set
except in the look and quick connect wire.
i have a axe with the emgs and a axe with the newer blackouts ESP eclipse and a ESP MII
and tonally they have very little in common
the BO's may LOOK like the EMG's but that is where the comparisons must stop.
plugged in the BO's sound like very powerful/tone plenty passives but have all the benefits of the great actives out there like
EMG, bartolini,etc
I have never tried a active that made me feel like i was playing n a set of passives till the BO's came out.
buy a set put em in and see and hear for yourself;)

i think now we can all agree, blackouts kick ass!:rocket::bigok:
 
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