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Re: Blues distortion
Perhaps he meant "prematurely kill our tubes", or perhaps he was being sarcastic.
Perhaps he meant "prematurely kill our tubes", or perhaps he was being sarcastic.
Blues distortion
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neosadist
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Re: Blues distortion
Uh, no. Listen to them. They make the amp sound overdriven at all volume levels because they're simulating the effect. It's science. They drive the frequency peaks on the waves high enough to start clipping a bit (or a lot, depending on how you like yours). But I can get the same sound with my amp by overdriving it, which does the same thing to the frequencies. A distortion pedal distorts the sound rather than overdriving it. This is why playing blues through a OD pedal is going to sound a lot different than say a Green Day song. But this all depends, since some manufacturers combine OD and DS, either intentionally or unintentionally. Try this:
Take any distortion or overdrive pedal, turn down the amount of OD/DS but then turn the level ALL the way up. You'll sound more overdriven than distorted. I can simulate the same thing with any pedal. In fact, the Boss BD-2 can be used as a volume boost in such a configuration, as it doesn't distort very much at all. See this link:
Guitar Effects - What They Do
Realize that distortion and overdrive are various, and there are certain pedals that amplify certain tonal regions, add certain noise to things, etc. Distortion is normally where the tone is destroyed (more of a hard clipping) while Overdrive simulates what an amplifier and speaker do when they're being overdriven.
Skarekrough said:
Uh, no. Listen to them. They make the amp sound overdriven at all volume levels because they're simulating the effect. It's science. They drive the frequency peaks on the waves high enough to start clipping a bit (or a lot, depending on how you like yours). But I can get the same sound with my amp by overdriving it, which does the same thing to the frequencies. A distortion pedal distorts the sound rather than overdriving it. This is why playing blues through a OD pedal is going to sound a lot different than say a Green Day song. But this all depends, since some manufacturers combine OD and DS, either intentionally or unintentionally. Try this:
Take any distortion or overdrive pedal, turn down the amount of OD/DS but then turn the level ALL the way up. You'll sound more overdriven than distorted. I can simulate the same thing with any pedal. In fact, the Boss BD-2 can be used as a volume boost in such a configuration, as it doesn't distort very much at all. See this link:
Guitar Effects - What They Do
Realize that distortion and overdrive are various, and there are certain pedals that amplify certain tonal regions, add certain noise to things, etc. Distortion is normally where the tone is destroyed (more of a hard clipping) while Overdrive simulates what an amplifier and speaker do when they're being overdriven.
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Skarekrough
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Re: Blues distortion
They're simulating the effect by adding their own flavor; this is the discernable differences between different overdrive pedals like the BD-2, the SD-1 the TS-9's, the TS-808's and the Bad Monkey. Each has its own take and flavor.
But inherently the core function of an overdrive pedal is to push an amp to breakup. This is why most mods typically add more output to the pedals; the more an amp breaks up the more you get that desired sound and the less flavor of the pedal you actually require.
Overdrive pedals in an amp that isn't near the verge of breaking up inherently sound weak when compared to an amp that's getting that characteristic pushed sound. The more you use overdrive pedals in this scenario the less you typically find you want or need the general flavor the overdrive pedals produce. It's a weak facsimilie of what the real deal sounds like.
...and you never did get to how overdriving amps kills them. Because if that were the case then there wouldn't be a single amp that Neil Young plugs into for a show that wouldn't be reduced to a smoldering heap after his set.
neosadist said:
They're simulating the effect by adding their own flavor; this is the discernable differences between different overdrive pedals like the BD-2, the SD-1 the TS-9's, the TS-808's and the Bad Monkey. Each has its own take and flavor.
But inherently the core function of an overdrive pedal is to push an amp to breakup. This is why most mods typically add more output to the pedals; the more an amp breaks up the more you get that desired sound and the less flavor of the pedal you actually require.
Overdrive pedals in an amp that isn't near the verge of breaking up inherently sound weak when compared to an amp that's getting that characteristic pushed sound. The more you use overdrive pedals in this scenario the less you typically find you want or need the general flavor the overdrive pedals produce. It's a weak facsimilie of what the real deal sounds like.
...and you never did get to how overdriving amps kills them. Because if that were the case then there wouldn't be a single amp that Neil Young plugs into for a show that wouldn't be reduced to a smoldering heap after his set.
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
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Re: Blues distortion
Er well not really, that would be a booster then.
I don't use it as a stand alone pedal
neosadist
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Re: Blues distortion
No, you're confusing the ideas.
Overdrive: the amp is running so hard that it is slightly distorting the sound waves. You can do the same thing with home audio systems, etc.
Distortion: hard clipping, where instead of the peaks of the frequency waves coming out of your guitar being caved in like with overdrive, they're clipped flat, resulting in destruction of tone.
Gain: how high the frequency wave peaks are, i.e. how powerful, how strong. Yes, running a pedal that adds gain will push your amp hard, and extra gain can cause overdrive, push an amp harder, etc. However, if that was the only function, we could all just keep our amps at max volume.
Overdrive pedals and distortion pedals let us simulate their effect on the signal of our guitar, period. Distortion and overdrive still sound themselves when going through headphones, through church sound boards, etc. It's the signal that has changed.
I'm not arguing whether or not those pedals let you drive your amp harder. They do. But I'm trying to clarify what's going on with the signal and with your amp. There's no argument here: either you can listen to me, or you can go on believing what you will. This discussion has become fruitless unless truth is imparted.
Skarekrough said:
No, you're confusing the ideas.
Overdrive: the amp is running so hard that it is slightly distorting the sound waves. You can do the same thing with home audio systems, etc.
Distortion: hard clipping, where instead of the peaks of the frequency waves coming out of your guitar being caved in like with overdrive, they're clipped flat, resulting in destruction of tone.
Gain: how high the frequency wave peaks are, i.e. how powerful, how strong. Yes, running a pedal that adds gain will push your amp hard, and extra gain can cause overdrive, push an amp harder, etc. However, if that was the only function, we could all just keep our amps at max volume.
Overdrive pedals and distortion pedals let us simulate their effect on the signal of our guitar, period. Distortion and overdrive still sound themselves when going through headphones, through church sound boards, etc. It's the signal that has changed.
I'm not arguing whether or not those pedals let you drive your amp harder. They do. But I'm trying to clarify what's going on with the signal and with your amp. There's no argument here: either you can listen to me, or you can go on believing what you will. This discussion has become fruitless unless truth is imparted.
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Skarekrough
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Re: Blues distortion
I think were actually probably talking about much the same thing, but approaching it from different points of view as well as from different purposes.
neosadist said:
I think were actually probably talking about much the same thing, but approaching it from different points of view as well as from different purposes.
Re: Blues distortion
Everybody knows I'm crazy, but to prove the point beyond doubt, I would offer that the best blues petal ever is the Ibanez "Tube King". I also have some mods for a Blues Driver that are nice, and make it slightly more capable in heavier distortion territory such as the rock you mention. email me, and I'll give you the mods ( can be done yourself ). The Blues Driver is nice right out of the box also though. Another high ranking choice is the Ibanez TS808 reissue, although even the reissues are getting pricey now.
Everybody knows I'm crazy, but to prove the point beyond doubt, I would offer that the best blues petal ever is the Ibanez "Tube King". I also have some mods for a Blues Driver that are nice, and make it slightly more capable in heavier distortion territory such as the rock you mention. email me, and I'll give you the mods ( can be done yourself ). The Blues Driver is nice right out of the box also though. Another high ranking choice is the Ibanez TS808 reissue, although even the reissues are getting pricey now.
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
Unseen
Re: Blues distortion
The Tubeking is the Tubedrive from Tubeworks.
It uses the tube for not clipping the sound too
The Tubeking is the Tubedrive from Tubeworks.
It uses the tube for not clipping the sound too
Re: Blues distortion
I'm not sure I'm understanding your post right or not. I'm looking at my Tube King, and it says Ibanez on it. Perhaps it has been taken over by another name, or reissued from another source ? Maybe we're talking about different products. I haven't seen any for a while, and think they're the best thing ever, so let me know. Thanks !
Rid said:The Tubeking is the Tubedrive from Tubeworks.
It uses the tube for not clipping the sound too
I'm not sure I'm understanding your post right or not. I'm looking at my Tube King, and it says Ibanez on it. Perhaps it has been taken over by another name, or reissued from another source ? Maybe we're talking about different products. I haven't seen any for a while, and think they're the best thing ever, so let me know. Thanks !
