Bogner Amps

Rockstar216

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Has anyone here every tried or owned any type of Bogner Amp? Particularly the Bogner Ecstasy or Uberschall or Twin Jet and if so could you provide some feed back. What did you like/didnt like? How did it sound,play,feel, and what type of music did you use it for did you gig with it? How long have you had it and how much did it cost at the time.
Really My dream Amp to own would be a Bogner ecstasy loaded with EL34s.
 
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I own a Shiva 1 12" combo. IMHO for what I do its the best channel switching amp I have used. That typed I have not played through an Ecstasy. I have a buddy that owns an Ecstasy & Ubbershell. He prefers the Ecstasy. If I had to do it all over again I would have bought a head and cab. Its easier to move as the combo weighs about 90lbs. I have a road case for it and I will only use it when I don't have to carry it too far. Its heavy as all hell. The Head/cab would be better. I am a blues/blues-rock kind of player and the cleans on the Shiva are as good as most Fenders I have played through(I have a 68 Super Reverb & a 67 Deluxe Reverb). The drive took me a bit of time to dial in a solid drive tone, but now I have it. It really gives me great cleans & great drive. The Reverb on the Shiva is actually better then any Fender I have experienced. The cleans are reminiscent of a Twin with a little more hair. The drive is Marshallesque but really has its own voice. Similar to a Marshall but still is quite different.

My Shiva is an older one. I had to make a special cable to run my pedals in the loop. I don't use a lot of effects, I have a CE2, DD3 running into the loop, then I have a TS9 running straight in. I use the TS9 more as a volume boost with the gain usually all the way off and volume pushing the cleans just a bit. I use the TS9 for soloing. When I really want sustain and more gain I switch to the lead channel. I also have this A/B'd with a Komet 60. The Komet is by far the best amp I have ever used, but it is not as versatile as the Bogner. The Konmet has tone to die for. It has the most character of anything I have used and every note blooms into harmonics. I use a custom made TS808 to push it a bit when needed but the real negative to the Komet is it is very loud. Its a raw amp that has no effects loop, no master volume and very simple controls, but it is pure tone! Tonally these two amps give me everything I could need for my playing. BUT.... most of the places I have the opportunity to play in are small clubs so I usually use a Deluxe Reverb because everything else is just too loud.
 
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Ever since I started playing guitar at 10 years old, I've been a fan of nice amps and always had ones that did something really well, and that was about it. I got used to lugging around a gainy amp and a clean amp. I also got into tube rack gear for awhile, just for the versatility. Then I realized rack gear does a lot, but nothing really outstanding. I went through a bunch of amps basically.

When I was around 24, Bogner had just begun making amps here in North Hollywood in the back of Make'N'Music. I stopped in and plugged into an Ecstasy. I was absolutely blown away. The XTC was the dream amp I always wanted to see someone invent.
I'd always wanted a Twin/Plexi/modded Marshall all in one amp, and the XTC exceeded my expectations, because each channel was like 3 amps in itself. And the tone was no less than you'd hear out of a dedicated one channel amp. That's where all the others like Mesa, Randall, Marshall, and Fender fell short. Bogner nailed it. But being a broke 24 year old playing in bands, an amp that cost more than my truck wasn't happening.

When I was 30, I came across a guy who bought a bunch of early Bogners, and he was down to his last one.....the one he swore he'd never sell. It's a white chassis XTC from 1994, loaded with all the options like A/AB, DI, Cabinet Assigning, attenuator loop etc.
I got him down to $2175, and it was the best investment in gear I've ever made. My search for a primary amp was over for life.
I still love others, but my 94 XTC is like my right arm. I even have two different head shells for it, so I can choose which look I want....metal front or cane front. I also have cane front 412 and 212 cabs, so I can control how much air I'm pushing.

The only thing about the XTC that not everyone needs is the massive amount of power it has. But unlike most 100+ watt amps, the XTC can be tamed down and still sound cranked. Half power, switching to Class A, turning down the loop, and turning down the volumes allow the amp to still sound good at loud bedroom levels. It's not what the amp was made for, but it can be tamed.
But when it's loud, it's a god-like tone. One chord, and you'll have goosebumps.

I've been using the Ecstasy since 2000, and I've taken very good care of it by never moving it unless it's in a padded Tuki cover or HD roadcase. I'll never sell it.
 
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The final testing area. What a fun job this guy has!
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My goodness all them Bogners. Hopefully ill be able to own a Ecstasy real soon if everything goes right. Can the cosmetics be customized like Messa Amps or no?
 
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Yeah, but like everything associated with a Custom Shop, it won't be a cheap upcharge.

Your best bet is to always search Craigslist for used ones. There's one on CL Los Angeles right now for $2450, and that's about as low as they go.
 
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Im just goin to wait and save up for a new one cause right now im playing through a Blackstar HT 40 I was gone upgrade to the series one line of amps but now im thinking waiting alil longer for a Bogner. I believe they are as good as you say they are. Plus I know Jerry Cantrell used them and he is one of my all time fav players.
 
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There's not much difference in sound between the 100B and the early 101B's. They shared pretty much the same circuit, although there's some differences in features. The 101B had more features, although the 100B had a built in Variac. The 100B's are harder to come by nowadays. I actually like the sound of the 101B more than the 100B or newer 'Classic' version. I haven't had a real chance to dig into the 20th Ann. version yet.

And Stratman, if you feel like expanding that thinly veiled attempt to look generous in your Holiday Giveaway thread, I'll gladly take that 100B off your hands. LOL
 
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Bogners are the best high gain amps, them and SLO's but even though they are versatile their Marshall dirt and Fender clean tone isn't as good as a real old Marshall or a old Fender.
 
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Bogners are the best high gain amps, them and SLO's but even though they are versatile their Marshall dirt and Fender clean tone isn't as good as a real old Marshall or a old Fender.

I would agree with this to some degree. The real main problem is in order to get an old Fender to sound good you really have to crank them and the same with Marshall's. I can play my Shiva in my home. Its loud but it does have a very usable Master volume.
 
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Well I doubt most people would ever get to crank a 100 watt Ecstasy or any 100 watt head for that matter at home or on stage. If I had one I would probably keep it on half power mode a lot. Especially since most of the churches I play at don't want their windows broken or ears bleeding.
 
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All I can say is that I have been as big a gear whore as anyone. I'm probably one of those guys who gear whores think goes too far. However, when it comes to Bogner amps, I'm quite happy. Good God almighty! I can't even begin to describe how incredible the Ecstasy 101B is. The truth be told, I stayed away from it for a long time because I could never imagine spending that much. I went as far as a Shiva 20th Anniversary which blew me away, but knowing that I had not yet had a real taste of the XTC, I had to give one an honest try.

I went in to it thinking that it would be great but nothing to write home about. I sat down with the 101B on top of a 1x12 v30 cab and played with it. Time passed by and I realized that I was there for 4 hours in the platinum room at Guitar Center. I went home thinking the XTC was pretty cool and a lot of fun to play, but it wasn't until the next day during a long drive that the sound I heard from it began to nag at me. I began to yearn for the red channel. I went back the next evening and spent at least 2 more hours and couldn't stop thinking about the blue channel. It wasn't until later that the clean channel began to grow on me. There's a lot of versatility in that amp man. Then I went back again and again until I decided that it was time to let my 20th Shiva go for one of those. However, I was lucky and found an awesome dealer who made me an excellent deal on a 20th Anniversary XTC. Now I have it sitting next to my Goldfinger 90 and I'm pretty much in tone heaven.

Probably the only amps I really want now is either the Cameron CCV or Landry LS50. They're much more of a modded Marshall flavor than the XTC. I hear people put the XTC in the modded Marshall category, but it doesn't really sound like that in my mind. It has a different kind of breakup and not buzzy either. What I love about the Ecstasy is that the all three channels sound very different in my mind. There are a lot of multi-channel amps, but the clean channel and dirty channels sound like the same channel at different gain levels. The XTC is one of the only amps that actually has 3 unique sounds... in my opinion.
 
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Do you think the XTC is better then the Shiva. I know people say the XTC its more versatile then the Shiva but which one sounded better in your opinion? I know the Shiva is half the price of the XTC but the XTC has more features I think.
 
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I'd say that the Shiva is like the lower half of the XTC, and I mean that in a good way. It's like the cleans and about half of what the blue channel is. For many players, especially those with good OD pedals, that's quite enough.
I could do just fine with a Shiva head, and one of the new Bogner Red pedals if I needed the 3rd channel.

And that brings up another thing.....the new Bogner XTC Red and Blue pedals. No, they're not cheap at $300, but they're pretty damm nice. They sound as good as they look. If you really can't justify breaking the bank for a Bogner amp, you could always sell off a few pedals you don't need and add a Bogner pedal to your existing rig.

I'm in no hurry for a Bogner pedal, but I'm always going to keep my eyes peeled for a cheap used one.

And a big thanks to Bluedave for supplying me with some of the Bogner pedal posters. If there's any big Bogner fans here who really really want one, I might send you one.
 
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