Bolt-on Neck Repair

[GuitarDoc]

Re: Bolt-on Neck Repair

I stand by all my posts.

You're kidding, right?!

This is all just a joke, right?!

You're just having fun with us?!

Nobody could be this dogmatic about something that they MUST know they've been wrong about!

OK, the jig's up. We caught ya. We've all had a lot of fun and a good laugh, now it's time to get back to reality.

 

[Chris Pile]

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Lotta self appointed experts expounding their viewpoints here.
I've actually been at the bench DOING for 40 years in a big music store as a Fender and Gibson authorized tech.
I fix the guitars supposed experts have butched up and who had the gall to charge clients afterwards.
I've been published in guitar repair mags over 100 times.
Even Dan Erlewine has recommended some of my "How to do it" articles years ago in his book.
I know what the hell I'm talking about, and I don't get paid enough to care if you think I'm wrong.
So there.

 

[Masta' C]

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Lotta self appointed experts expounding their viewpoints here.
I've actually been at the bench DOING for 40 years in a big music store as a Fender and Gibson authorized tech.
I fix the guitars supposed experts have butched up and who had the gall to charge clients afterwards.
I've been published in guitar repair mags over 100 times.
Even Dan Erlewine has recommended some of my "How to do it" articles years ago in his book.
I know what the hell I'm talking about, and I don't get paid enough to care if you think I'm wrong.
So there.

I would reach out to stroke your fragile ego, but you're too far away...my little T-rex arms won't reach!

Regardless, you're missing the point.

1) You can't tell what that wood is for certain from those pictures alone and, even if you COULD, it wouldn't be relevant to the topic.
2) Bashing the OP's instrument isn't a constructive approach to solving his problem.
3) If you're such a mad genius when it comes to fixing guitars and other techs' bad work, why don't you have a proper "fix" for this?
4) Your responses went straight from "yeah, definitely take it to a pro to see if they can fix it" to "that guitar is utter crap made from crap parts, you should just throw it away because it's not worth fixing"

As for getting paid to care, I care and I'm not getting paid. In fact, I'm losing out on chances to get paid because I'm here tampering your unhelpful, self-righteous rhetoric in order to keep things on track. Einstein was smarter than you and he didn't get everything right. You should think about that

 

[ehdwuld]

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Yeah it's a bolt on Les Paul copy
Could the OP use this as an opportunity to up grade? Sure he could
Does he want to? of course not
Can he fix it? Sure
I like the glue it in idea. Because it's inexpensive
Titebond wood glue and some bolts, oh yea

After reading this I looked for some bolt on L.P. cheapo goodness
Epi Special or some such $100 beater

Oh and I see what you mean,
If it were sent to you the repair would be more than the value of the guitar

I get why you dissed it so bad
I do

But your not him and it's his and his money
Offer advice, step back, eat popcorn, see what happens.
Doesn't affect me or you at all
We good :beerchug:

 

[Chris Pile]

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You can't tell what that wood is for certain from those pictures alone

Yes, I can. Further to that, I am willing to put my money where my mouth is, if OP wanted to submit a sample of the neck pictured to a lab for analysis. If I was wrong, I'd be happy to buy OP 3 large pizzas at my cost.

I'm not always right, but I am in this case. If I'm wrong, I'll say so in very large letters, OK?

 

[Masta' C]

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Again, the type of wood isn't the point, but it's all you are concerned with, so there's no point in arguing with you. If it matters, I actually have a solid slab of Luaun that's not anything close to the light, pithy stuff you're going on about. Not my first choice, but it has its uses. Besides, do you think *real* Mahogany would've held up to someone stepping on the neck joint like that? NOPE! Does that mean *real* Mahogany is crap? NOPE!

I hope the OP didn't just trash the guitar, because that's a pretty easy fix...even for the untrained lootheeeyer

 

[GuitarDoc]

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...that's a pretty easy fix...even for the untrained lootheeeyer

Even like Goober Pyle? Oh, no, I just remembered, he has 40 years experience working at an upper end Guitar Center in the middle of Kansas. Yes, certainly even he should be able to fix that.

 

[greekdude]

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I have done the dowel fix in a much more involved problem (AANJ - without neck heel stop) and I had problems : if the dowel's wood is oily (rosewood) and the dowel is round, in the summer , the glue might fail and it may start slipping under excessive torque. The dowel has to be hex-shaped, and also the new holes.

 

[Masta' C]

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Hard maple dowels...round is fine...predrill the neck, glue in, cut/sand flat, seal the exposed tops, redrill for neck screws, done.

If done correctly, there should never be a problem.

Greekdude: Why would you use an "oily" wood for this kind of repair? Also, what kind of glue did you use? ::dunno::

 

[Masta' C]

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Hey Goober...

Here's your man, Dan, showing how it's done. As an aspiring luthier, you should take note for future reference:

 

[ehdwuld]

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Y'all need to stop antagonizing Mr Goober

 

[Chris Pile]

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Let 'em hate if they want. I knew Dan Erlewine when they were still in diapers.

 

[kramersteen]

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This thread is super macho.

 

[Chris Pile]

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If only it was SUPER NACHO we'd all be having a grand old time snacking it up.

 

[greekdude]

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Hard maple dowels...round is fine...predrill the neck, glue in, cut/sand flat, seal the exposed tops, redrill for neck screws, done.

If done correctly, there should never be a problem.

Greekdude: Why would you use an "oily" wood for this kind of repair? Also, what kind of glue did you use? ::dunno::

Man, that's what my tech did, (after playing guitar for 40+ years, I trust him 100% ), he used rosewood, don't ask me why, told me said rosewood was harder than maple. I cannot verify that, but by some very rough hilly billy experiments I did, some rosewood that is sold here in Greek market was harder (at least to drill) than beech (the euro equivalent to maple I guess). I am no expert in woods by no way. I think he used titebond.
This specific guitar had several peculiarities : 7-string (lots of tension), basswood body (soft), free-floating trem (serious tension under full pull-ups), no heel stop/neck pocket in the body route (which means that all tension was handled by those 4 screws), in short not your average strat. In the end he replace a whole piece of maple in the neck heel, plugged the body with maple dowels, and made through holes via the body/neck. Now the guitar is my most stable for over a year.

 

[GuitarDoc]

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Man, that's what my tech did, (after playing guitar for 40+ years, I trust him 100% ), he used rosewood, don't ask me why, told me said rosewood was harder than maple. I cannot verify that, but by some very rough hilly billy experiments I did, some rosewood that is sold here in Greek market was harder (at least to drill) than beech (the euro equivalent to maple I guess). I am no expert in woods by no way. I think he used titebond.
This specific guitar had several peculiarities : 7-string (lots of tension), basswood body (soft), free-floating trem (serious tension under full pull-ups), no heel stop/neck pocket in the body route (which means that all tension was handled by those 4 screws), in short not your average strat. In the end he replace a whole piece of maple in the neck heel, plugged the body with maple dowels, and made through holes via the body/neck. Now the guitar is my most stable for over a year.

I thought you said he used rosewood.

 

[GuitarDoc]

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Let 'em hate if they want. I knew Dan Erlewine when they were still in diapers.

And I knew how to build guitars when YOU were still in diapers!

So why don't you utilize his expertise and follow his advice on how to repair stripped screw holes in a neck? Why are you so quick to advise others to junk the neck and buy a better guitar rather than fix it?

And as Dan hinted, this repair will actually be BETTER than new because of the screw going into the end grain of the hardwood dowel. (No, the dowel will not come out of the neck).

 

[greekdude]

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I thought you said he used rosewood.

That was the first take. After the fail, he used maple dowels for both basswood body and maple/walnut neck.

 

[Masta' C]

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Y'all need to stop antagonizing Mr Goober

Antagonizing Mr Goober? The dude started being incredibly unhelpful and downright disrespectful to everyone else, claiming that he knows best, the OP's guitar is a piece of cr@p and no one else can compete with his knowledge about fixing guitars...knowledge which never made it to these pages, by the way.

I begged to differ. Apparently, that makes me a "hater".

Whatever. Just proves that you're never too old to act like a spoiled child.

The proof is in the taste of the pudding, as they say...Dan Erlewine and Greekdude's own tech both agree that my suggestion is THE right way to proceed in the OP's case and, honestly, that's all that matters to this thread!

 

[crusty philtrum]

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I'd like to know more about the pudding . . .