Boss Katana vs Vox Valvetronix

UTGrad

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I’ve got a 20W Vox Valvetronix that I’ve become very familiar with the different settings and can get a large variety of sounds.

I hear a lot of good things about the Boss Katana.

I’m looking to “upgrade” and either get a 40W Vox Valvetronix or the 50w Boss Katana.

Between a Vox or Boss modeler which one has a better sound?


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Re: Boss Katana vs Vox Valvetronix

Well, if you like the 20 watt Valvetronix, why wouldn't you think that you'd like the 40 watt version?
Plus you would already know how to program it. Unless of course you just want something different.

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Re: Boss Katana vs Vox Valvetronix

Well, if you like the 20 watt Valvetronix, why wouldn't you think that you'd like the 40 watt version?
Plus you would already know how to program it. Unless of course you just want something different.

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That’s why I would want the 40W VOX, there would be no learning curve. Is the Boss a better amp?


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Re: Boss Katana vs Vox Valvetronix

Can't say for certain, but my guess would be that they're comprable.
Anybody?

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Re: Boss Katana vs Vox Valvetronix

Never played the Vox, have the Katana head, it is very good for the price. It is not really a modelling amp as I understand a modeller to be. If you buy a Katana the 100 head or 100 combo are the better choice over the 50.
 
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They're both fun for about 3 or 4 days, then you start to realize that NOTHING is as appealing as a good tube amp. I had both, loved them at first, then the sound started grating on my ears. It's a hard-edged distortion that lacks all the appeal of preamp and powertube warmth. They've managed to make them sound warmer, rounder, and emulate the sound of a tube amp, but if you're used to tube amps then you'll be trying to flip it within a week or two. The ONLY passable non-tube amp device that I'd bother keeping would be an AxeFX or Kemper (2nd best). I'm sorry to burst anyone's bubble but they just don't feel or sound right. It's like meeting a chick with makeup in a club, after some drinks, with the lights flickering and the bass thumping in your ears. You take her home and go at it, only to wake up a few hours later and realize she was flawed.

The Katana is great for people who need the flexibility and an amp that can handle any volume situation, but can't afford more. It has a zillion FX, but only a handful are actually useful. A couple are quite good. The fuzz stomps suck as they all sound the same and don't even emulate a fuzz pedal worth a darn. The cleans aren't bad, but the distortion only really sounds decent on the brown sound setting. You have to juice it at maximum gain to get enough sustain to feel fluid under your fingers for legato and shred. If you max out the mids in a live situation, you'll still have a hard time cutting through the mix without sounding harsh.

The Katana head version is the most useful as it also has a little speaker that you can practice with. The Katana combo speaker sounds cheap as you'd expect, so at least you can plug the head into a speaker cab. I will say that having a good speaker is an improvement.

I hate the Valvetronix. All the Vox modeling amps have this really irritating artificial sound. It's warm but inorganic. A first it's OK, but then you realize it doesn't actually sound like any of the amps it's supposed to model. About the only thing you can do that's passable as a non-irritating tone are the clean sounds - if you load them with chorus and reverb. In fact, speaking of chorus, it actually improves the sound of the distortion. Once you figure that out, you want to always have the chorus on when you play distorted.

I have to give them credit for meeting the needs of a wide variety of users who can't otherwise afford good gear, or people who don't care or can't perceive any difference between them and a real tube amp. Otherwise, you know those kinds of guys who like to always show off how many guitars and amps they have, but their stuff is all cheap and never really seems to sound in tune? Those are the kind of people who would love to buy these devices, and are the ones who always want to point out how they only have to spend a fraction of what everyone else spends for good tone even though their intonation is always skewed and they don't seem to have ears with any sensitivity to the presence and treble controls on 10.

The Studio Devil is worth the extra few bucks, though it has nothing on Fractal. Eleven Rack irritates me almost as much as Vox and Katana, so I wouldn't recommend that either. Kemper is second best to Fractal, so I don't get how they're selling for $2700. There's no way I'd spend that much on that box when $2700 can buy me a real good tube amp.
 
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Agreed. My tried and trusted tube head sounds nicer than my Katana. However it also costs 4x the money.
 
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Modelling amp are 'better' than tube in certain ways.....

Versatility
More consistent low volume tones to high.


For someone who is more eclectic in their tonal wants then no single tube amp will cover the tonal ground a modeller will.
Also the low volume tones are at least equal to a tube amp - most tube amp have to be pushed hard if you want authentic overdrive tones.


Once you have narrowed down the tones you like best, and/or you have got to the point of playing at higher volumes then the tube amps come into their own.
 
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Just going by my ears ..I'd get the Katana.

I have'nt played either amp though...and that's what I suggest the OP do if he can..

I like tube amps & I like analog SS amps. I don't see either as "better", just as "variety". Of my 8 amps (mostly tube), one's SS (AMT Stonehead) & one's a hybrid (Randall T2) I look at both as 'more flavors' ..that's all. I've played SS stuff that sounds great while sounding resoundingly SS & I've played SS stuff that sounds/feels so close to a tube amp that (if EQ'd right) I' could fool myself in blind test. Modelling stuff sounds ok, but I have no desire (and perhaps wherewithal :laugh2:) to deal with the huge learning curve & all the bazillions of parameters, settings & sub-settings etc..so yeah, if I had the money for a Kemper, I'd just get a SLO instead :D

I can't even be bothered with a pedalboard tbh. Plug in the front, some 'verb or delay from the amp itself or in the loop if really required.. crank things up & play...that's my thing. As long as I have an amp that allows me to do that & is pleasing to my ears, I'm happy :bigthumb:
 
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One of the reasons the Katana is so popular is because it's a particularly user-friendly amp without a steep learning curve. Just saying.

Either way, I'm not a fan of either, personally.
 
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One of the reasons the Katana is so popular is because it's a particularly user-friendly amp without a steep learning curve. Just saying.

Either way, I'm not a fan of either, personally.

The Vox is more complex but once I figured it out it’s great. I can also do more refining with the Toneroom Software.


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I almost took the plunge on that AMT. That would be my choice for SS
 
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Well if you ever decide to get around to it (AMT Stonehead) ..It's a fantastic little head. You won't be disappointed (love mine x 100000000 :D)

Super versatile, sounds awesome (TONE machine!) doing just about anything ..& being 100% analog/all knobs it's easy as hell to dial in despite all the options. Add to that the fact that it's affordable, lightweight/compact and easy to lug around (especially if you get the tote bag, which I did) = ticks all the boxes for me :bigthumb:
 
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Can't comment on the Vox but I own the Katana 50 combo. I've seen a lot of comments about the bigger Katanas being better than the 50w combo. I've also seen plenty of comments saying there's not a lot of difference. Anyhow, in my opinion the Katana is garbage. I don't use effects so I won't comment on them. I don't use reverb at gigs but like a little when I'm practising at home. The Katana reverb is quite nice. The clean tones are okay-ish but the low end gets really flubby if you use any of the amps' overdrive pedals.

The real problem are the three 'Marshall' type pre-amp options. They are so treble heavy it's ridiculous. Unless you keep the treble and mids virtually turned off it will destroy your eardrums. Higher treble and mid settings produce the worst tones I've got from any amp ever. Truly horrible.

If money's tight I would look for a used Peavey Bandit.
 
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That’s why I would want the 40W VOX, there would be no learning curve. Is the Boss a better amp?


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hi UTGrad,
The answer to your question is a resounding Not Really!
I had a 2x12 100watt Valvetronix with 1 to 100 power dial. The 1st generation one with the metal grille. Easy to get great Fenderish clean to mild od with great verb etc. It was 62lbs or I would still have it.
My rhythm guitar guy had a 100 watt Katana combo. He was jealous of my NOS tweed Blues Jr.
Since you have learned the trick to getting good sound out of a valvetronix, I strongly recommend the Valvetronix. Upgrade the speaker to an Eminence Swamp Thang for blues or a Celestion V30 if rock is more your thing. The speakers are the weak point in katana and valvetronix.
Enjoy your new amp!

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hi UTGrad,
The answer to your question is a resounding Not Really!
I had a 2x12 100watt Valvetronix with 1 to 100 power dial. The 1st generation one with the metal grille. Easy to get great Fenderish clean to mild od with great verb etc. It was 62lbs or I would still have it.
My rhythm guitar guy had a 100 watt Katana combo. He was jealous of my NOS tweed Blues Jr.
Since you have learned the trick to getting good sound out of a valvetronix, I strongly recommend the Valvetronix. Upgrade the speaker to an Eminence Swamp Thang for blues or a Celestion V30 if rock is more your thing. The speakers are the weak point in katana and valvetronix.
Enjoy your new amp!

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Ok, so it seems that this is at least one second of my original opinion.

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Re: Boss Katana vs Vox Valvetronix

Ok, so it seems that this is at least one second of my original opinion.

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hi again UT
Apologies for recommending 12" replacement speakers for a 10" spec amp. The newer generation Vox has a new angle in their cabinets anyways...text sez "tightly sealed cabinet" for better bass ya da ya da...ya might like it!

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Re: Boss Katana vs Vox Valvetronix

Ok. I stand by my original recommendation. You know the Vox. You like the Vox.
40>20.


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Boss Katana vs Vox Valvetronix

I swapped out my 8” 20W Valvetronix for a 10” 40W today. Haven’t gotten a chance to put it through it’s paces but it definitely has more “kick”. I like the versatility of the Vox enough I’m considering getting a 100W. My only beef is the lack of a line out for pedals but I do have the foot switcher.


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Would the 100W be too loud for playing at house?


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