Boss NS2 vs ISP decimator

Re: Boss NS2 vs ISP decimator

Crap, I really wanted to avoid the gate thing, but my amp is noisy at the level that I love my tone at. How about Hush, I know that ISP guys are basically ex Hush, and Hush was suppose to be better than NS2 at the time .... no?
I know what you mean...

But one thing I learned is if you do it right, do it right from the start. I my self fooled around with the Hush pedals, Boss NS-2, ISP decimator and Tried the MXR Smartgate. I hesitated spending the money on the G-string at the start, but when I decided to go with one.. Let me tell you that I am not 1 bit sorry for doing it.

I found the "regular" ISP decimator doesnt work well in the loop. Its mainly designed to go between the guitar and amp.

The guitarist from the other band who we share our studio room with checked out my Decimator G-string and a week later, he added one to his rig.

Not gate out there will replicate a guitar's natural sustain/fade out.. but the ISP G-string does a most amazing job with that. doesnt cut your sustain.. unless of course you have it turned up all the way up as with any other gate.


Good luck
 
Re: Boss NS2 vs ISP decimator

i use the isp and its just stairt foward how much hum do u want to get rid of and its kind of hard to hear alot of differences with it off and on at high volumes at lower volumes it tweaks your lows a bit
 
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I like the Hush better for cleans as it eliminates the slight amp hiss generated by my preamp but does not effect sustain. For crunch and lead The Hush us switched out and Decimator is switched in. One of these days I will upgrade to either the G string or the ISP rack unit and probably eliminate the need to ever switch out the ISP.

Crap, I really wanted to avoid the gate thing, but my amp is noisy at the level that I love my tone at. How about Hush, I know that ISP guys are basically ex Hush, and Hush was suppose to be better than NS2 at the time .... no?
 
Re: Boss NS2 vs ISP decimator

t works fine in the loop for crunch and lead. Cleans not so much.... It cuts off sustain when the guitar volume is backed off. I switch it out for my clean patches.

I know what you mean...

I found the "regular" ISP decimator doesnt work well in the loop. Its mainly designed to go between the guitar and amp.

Good luck
 
Re: Boss NS2 vs ISP decimator

The new Decimator G String looks great. I remember the old ISP Decimator and that thing was pretty overrated IMHO. By the time you had the noise cut out, your sustain was choked to death and notes had an awkward artificial character towards the end, it definitely wasn't smooth like they had it advertised. The NS-2 does suck tone, in some rigs it's more noticeable than others, but it does mess with the dynamics.
 
Re: Boss NS2 vs ISP decimator

Well.... The problem I have with the original is what works beautiful for crunch and lead only works OK for cleans. So I switch the unit off for my clean patch and my rack mount hush on for cleans set with a much lower threshold... Maybe not the most efficient way to go, but I already owned both units... the hush is part of my expression multi-fx. I am wishing I knew ISP would be coming out with the G string only a couple of months after I bought the original.


The new Decimator G String looks great. I remember the old ISP Decimator and that thing was pretty overrated IMHO. By the time you had the noise cut out, your sustain was choked to death and notes had an awkward artificial character towards the end, it definitely wasn't smooth like they had it advertised. The NS-2 does suck tone, in some rigs it's more noticeable than others, but it does mess with the dynamics.
 
Re: Boss NS2 vs ISP decimator

So i went with Hush. And I love it. Its in my loop, and all the way up too - my pre-amp is at 3 o'clok so its a bit noisy, Vinnie Moore used a gate too with pretty identical head, but the effect on sustain is minimal, if at all noticable, it also tightens things up a bit, it also gives the final sound a bit of that Doug Aldrige glossiness ... cant compain about that
 
Re: Boss NS2 vs ISP decimator

I've been using the Decimator G String for maybe 10 or so gigs. I have to say it is a big help, as anti-pedal as I am. I like to keep things easy when playing live; just plug in and go. Pedals are too much for me to want to bother with most of the time. But futzing with THIS pedal is well worth it IMO.

I don't notice any tonal suck. What you get is a "chopping off" of the sustain of the note if you have the knob turned up too high. Easy to fix. Just don't turn it up that high. I keep the knob right at the point where the noise dramatically drops off when turning it clockwise, but not to the point where I hear absolute silence.

What does happen is that the pedal starts sucking at doing it's job when it starts to run low on batteries, and it also introduces weird "swishing" effects. At that point, it sounds so weird, that it is better to not even use the pedal. So I would suggest running it on wall power (though I have not started doing so yet). It does not come with a DC adapter, just the spec requirements to find the appropriate one.

The way the thing works is that there are two separate paths through the pedal: GUIT and DEC. Each has one input and one output. The GUIT path is the tracking path alone, and provides zero noise reduction. All it does is "read" the guitar signal, and use it to inform the other path (the path that actually applies the noise reduction) what to filter and what not to filter. Anything you have in the line before the GUIT input will be "read."

The other path is the DEC path, which applies the actual noise reduction. To use it, you take the output from the GUIT path and patch it back into the pedal's DEC IN. But instead of patching directly from GUIT OUT to DEC IN like this, you can also add anything that you want to go through the noise gate (DEC), but that you do not want to go through the tracking path (GUIT). This can be anything from a chain of effects to the entire pre-amp of your guitar amplifier...or both...or neither.

NOTE: There MUST be something going through the GUIT path in order for the DEC path to do ANYTHING, including simply allowing a signal through. In other words, you cannot simply use it like you would would use a standard Decimator (non-G String model), by just running your guitar into DEC IN, out of DEC OUT, and then out to the amp. It won't do anything; won't even let a note through.

Understanding how it works, you can see that it is possible to hook the pedal up in various ways. The first two are in the instructions, and the third is a variation of the first that I figured out, which allows you to use the pedal as the only stomp box in your chain, filtering your guitar noise alone:

1) You can put the guitar signal through the GUIT path, then out of that and through some or all of your effects, and then into the noise gate. This cuts down on noise introduced by the pedals without actually tracking the signal that is going through the pedal chain. This takes four cables in addition to what you have in your chain of pedals. One from guitar to pedal. One from pedal to effects chain. One from effects chain back to pedal. Then one from pedal to amp.

2) If you have an effects loop (or line in and line out) on your amp, you can put the the output from your amplifier's pre-amp through the noise gate before piping it back into the power amp. You can also insert an effects chain in one of a few spots. Either before the input of the amp, or in the effects loop of the amp, either before or after the noise reduction. Doing it without any effects, you need four cables. One from guitar to pedal. One from pedal to amp input. One from the amp's effects output or line out to the pedal. One from the pedal to the amp's effects input or line in. To do it with an effects chain, you will need one more cable.

3) How to use the pedal alone, with no other effects, was not mentioned in the instructions. But following the logic of the pedal, I figured out how to do it. You run your guitar cable into GUIT IN. Then you just run a simple short patch cable out of GUIT OUT straight over to DEC IN. Then a cable from DEC OUT to the amp's input. This is a variation of method 1 in which the effects chain is simply replaced with a patch cable.

IMO, it is expensive, but the added quality you get from having the tracking signal, plus the versatility offered by having so many ways to hook it up, make it well worth it over the regular Decimator.
 
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Re: Boss NS2 vs ISP decimator

Does the ISP G-String with the loop hook up the same way as the NS-2?

I wonder what makes the ISP better or different than the NS-2.

No. The NS-2 is deigned to insert you other pedals in it's loop. The ISP get inserted into your amps effect loop.
 
Re: Boss NS2 vs ISP decimator

No. The NS-2 is deigned to insert you other pedals in it's loop. The ISP get inserted into your amps effect loop.

As I wrote above, the Decimator G String can be hooked up in several ways, one of which involves putting your other pedals in it's loop. You can insert it into your amp's effects loop or not.
 
Re: Boss NS2 vs ISP decimator

No. The NS-2 is deigned to insert you other pedals in it's loop. The ISP get inserted into your amps effect loop.
Or the NS-2 can be setup to gate both before the preamp and after the preamp at the same time by hooking it up in the X-Connection method.
 
Re: Boss NS2 vs ISP decimator

Dont know, my Hush sits in the fxloop, and cleans pretty much 95% of noise and hum, tightens things up, barely touches sustain, and keeps things wet and glossy, and no X wiring bafoonery ...
 
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