Boutique amps... pros and cons...

mwalluk

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I wanted to formulate a discussion on boutique amps. Red Label's thread discussed how sometimes you don't need a BOGNER to find the tone you're after, rather a "lowly" DSL maybe all that you need. That thread is a great starting point for this discussion.

I want to know your thoughts on the pros and cons of boutique amps (Bogner, VHT/Fryette, Splawn, Engl, Herbert, Framus, Soldano, Hiwatt, etc) vs the readily available/mass produced amps in terms of (Marshall, Mesa, Fender, Orange, Vox, Riveria, Randall, carvin, Peavey etc) and vice versa.

I think this can turn into a really cool, multiple page discussion with a lot of back n forth debates.




I'll start....


More times than not "boutique" amps usually are of better quality (in terms of build) than mass produced amps.

I enjoy the fact that not many musicians and people either have, heard of/know or have played my amp. It's a great moment when they turn their head at my amp, then turn it right back around when they hear it for the first time.

I find that it's easier to dial in your own signature tone with a boutique than it is with a mass produced amp. I say this because since not many people own/play through said amp (vs mass produced) it's easier to obtain a more unique, identity. Due to the lack of familiarity, it's in essence a "new" sound.

With that comes a new perspective and less stereotypes. A gibson les paul into a Marshall you get the since that that player's style is all kinds of rock (classic, hard/metal, 90s, etc) a prs into a mesa (nu metal, modern) a fender strat into a fender/vox.... you get the picture.




That being said.....




I like the security of "mass produced" amps in terms of the wealth of knowledge out there to said amp. Problems? MOds? Tubes? Speaker combos? Pedals react with... etc.

Some of the classic tones I grew up listening to and revering have all come from said amps.

They are more readily available on the new/used market. Usually cost less.





Your turn go....
 
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I think to a certain degree (like I said, a certain degree) the higher end brands (Matchless, d/13, bad cat, etc...) tend to have a certain reliability factor to them. There are the obvious, obvious examples of where that is not true, but the concept is still there. When you pay top dollar for a high end divided by 13, you are more than likely not going to receive a dud.

With mass produced amps, you might have 100 people hired for quality control purposes and when it gets to the store it's flat out doesn't work properly. Like I said, this isn't true in every case there is, but people still talk and argue over the quality of "older" Marshall, VOX, fender, etc...over the modern ones.

My 2 cents
 
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I would tend to agree with this. I had a Marshall tsl 100 and 2 dsl 100 crap out on me. The Marshall jtm60 was known for realibility issues. That being said there's instances where quality boutique products crapped the bed
 
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Psssssssssssshhhhhhh. That thread is outdated.

Seriously though, way to ruin the fun, jk.

That being said, it's the message board way to rehash the same ol' topics over and over again.

Moreover, with this I don't want a poll per se (wyldeguy) but rather an unbiased opinion weighing both the good and bad.

It happens on The Gear Page a bit more often...topics get churned up every six weeks or so...lol
 
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My opinion is that most of the nuances of a particular amp get destroyed the second the drummer hits his snare drum.

A high end Vox AC30 inspired amp with a fancy name still shares a similar tonality to all the other high end Vox AC30 inspired amps.

Most of the truly "unique" sounding amps are the piece of sh*t department store amps with crap speakers and sagging power sections.

I sound more or less the same regardless of what I'm playing through. The biggest difference I've found is how easy/hard it is to get a particular amp to respond the way I want it to.
 
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I'm just glad I haven't played any boutique amps... I like my DRRI and I want to stay liking it

something tells me that if I had a DC30 I wouldn't be able to stop playing it.
 
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The problem I have with boutique amps is that actual vintage amps cost less.
 
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Whether "boutique" or not, a hand-wired point to point design is probably going to be easier to repair or modify than one using a PCB. Not that I've ever tried...
 
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Con: Diminishing return

Pro: If and only if it's 100% right for you, and you're not willing to go for 99%, then it will satisfy


I play cheap amps because A) I've never played a boutique amp that "nailed it" for me. I'm not saying they weren't great - they were all great in some way, just not in the way that fit with my spirit animal / aura. Pure (lack of) coincidence. And B) I am totally willing to accept 99%
 
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Now keep in mind, i'm not just refering to custom amps as boutique, but rather amps that do cost a little more and aren't as mass produced such as Bogner, VHT/Fryette, Splawn, Engl, Herbert, Framus, Soldano, Hiwatt, etc.
 
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Personally I would rather have a Splawn or Soldano than a Marshall
 
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The problem I have with boutique amps is that actual vintage amps cost less.

+1

My Feelings exactly.

Granted, there are things Vintage amps can't do...and if you're playing Modern Metal/hard rock, you're not gonna want a Plexi, or a BF Fender (most likely)...So for those guys, vintage amps don't make sense, and I can understand them going towards Modern Production amps, or Boutique.
If the ONLY way you can get the sound, and response you NEED for what you do, is from a Bogner XTC...then it makes sense to spend the money and get exactly what you need...But for me, all I need is a LOUD clean amp, and I love Fender cleans and get the response I need for what I do.
So while I could spend alot of money to get a Boutique Repro of a BF Fender, so I have the sound/feel I need, and make all the other gear hounds think I am great and want to blow me...I'd rather just get a good old PTP wired Fender, and let girls blow me instead...Just a matter of what you need really/want.
 
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+1

My Feelings exactly.

Granted, there are things Vintage amps can't do...and if you're playing Modern Metal/hard rock, you're not gonna want a Plexi, or a BF Fender (most likely)...So for those guys, vintage amps don't make sense, and I can understand them going towards Modern Production amps, or Boutique.
If the ONLY way you can get the sound, and response you NEED for what you do, is from a Bogner XTC...then it makes sense to spend the money and get exactly what you need...But for me, all I need is a LOUD clean amp, and I love Fender cleans and get the response I need for what I do.
So while I could spend alot of money to get a Boutique Repro of a BF Fender, so I have the sound/feel I need, and make all the other gear hounds think I am great and want to blow me...I'd rather just get a good old PTP wired Fender, and let girls blow me instead...Just a matter of what you need really/want.

Yeah but with the exception of Soldano, are there really boutique makers that target the metal crowd?

A dual rectifier is kinda affordable and not boutique, right?
 
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Yeah but with the exception of Soldano, are there really boutique makers that target the metal crowd?

A dual rectifier is kinda affordable and not boutique, right?

There are a few such as Fortin, Rhodes, Granger, Titan etc. But theyre newer and smaller companies.

And i wouldn't say modern mesas are boutique either they were at one point but now theyre too mass produced and common even if they are US produced.

I went looking at boutique amps because i couldn't find anything production that got me 100% where i needed to be going straight into the amp.

I then cloned the one i found to be the best fit for less than most mass produced amps and then tweaked it further to my requirements.

Also i would say a few of the splawns are specifically aimed at the metal crowd too. The nitro is a prime example.
 
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Yeah but with the exception of Soldano, are there really boutique makers that target the metal crowd?

A dual rectifier is kinda affordable and not boutique, right?


There are actually. Wouldnt Diezel be boutique? My Mako certaintly is. I'm sure there are others that im forgetting but the metal crowd has plenty of choices
 
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