Bridge PU to make an SG the ideal companion to an LP

[iamthesuck]

Re: Bridge PU to make an SG the ideal companion to an LP

Something loose would be good for a doom sound. Low output is okay, but lowered treble is key. A tight pickup isn't good for doom in my experience

 

[Gibson 1964]

Re: Bridge PU to make an SG the ideal companion to an LP

Well, all of that advice went to crap…round two!

C#???? I say Distortion.

Distortion or Black Winter.


And to whoever said slug... I wouldn't. As a SLUG owner, I like it best in standard as it has quite a lot of lows and low mids, which is probably exactly what I would not want in a downtuned guitar. I actually find I like SLLUG most in some applications that are not the most obvious.

 

[Lorenzar]

Re: Bridge PU to make an SG the ideal companion to an LP

Yeah I get it for the Slug, voiced with deep deep bass I guess that might be too much downtuned.

When I say doom, I should say elements of doom, cause I won't play Saint Vitus stuffs. As far as doom is concerned, I'm playing Pentagram and Trouble but they're quite rock n roll too !

For the detuned SG, it will mainly be stuffs like down and coc, so I think it should be my introduction to SH5 as it's supposed to be sort of a "warm" pickup for a ceramic and as you all said, I could change magnets if not satisfied.

For the Standard SG, I might try first to put alnico 8 into my 498t and alnico 5 into the 490R and see hiw it goes.

Also the fact I traded my King V leaves me without my standard thrash metal axe. I think I'll use my jackson JJ4 for that kind of stuff now and try a ceramic magnet into my SH4 to see how it sounds as well, as I was satisfied with the SH6 from my old king V.

Thanks again for all those valuable infos by the way !

 

[Snow007]

Re: Bridge PU to make an SG the ideal companion to an LP

E standard I run a brobucker in my SG. It makes me think of Angus Young.
D standard I run a SLUG in a mahogany Jackson tune o matic. Reminds me of Iommi.

I wouldn't say the SLUG is bass heavy because I own an Invader and that has more bass imo. I think the SLUG has tons of mids though and is more punchy than I expected. Perfect for doom/stoner metal though.

 

[stratguy23]

Re: Bridge PU to make an SG the ideal companion to an LP

As a SLUG owner, I like it best in standard as it has quite a lot of lows and low mids, which is probably exactly what I would not want in a downtuned guitar. I actually find I like SLLUG most in some applications that are not the most obvious.

I'm curious about this. What were the applications, and what were the results? How would it be different from another other bassy/low-mid-heavy pickup in an SG bridge, like a Rio Grande BBQ or Tone Zone?

 

[Lorenzar]

Re: Bridge PU to make an SG the ideal companion to an LP

Iommi, stoner/domm metal, all that is basically what I would like from my SG dedicated to D/C# tuning.

The Slugs seems to be a custom shop pickup right ? Should be more expensive I guess.


Anyway, before swapping pickups on this one, I still have to give a chance to those Dirty Fingers, and I didn't find the time to play this new guitar much so far.

I've read Dirty Fingers sounds a bit like The Invader. I was always curious about this one, but quite scared by his EQ like I said. Could give me an idea at least.

 

[Snow007]

Re: Bridge PU to make an SG the ideal companion to an LP

The SLUG is a custom pickup but it is also priced much cheaper than other custom pickups but still more than production ones.

The only thing I would be concerned about is that it is slightly longer than a standard humbucker so please check the measurements. I put mine in a Jackson Kevn Bond Rhoads where it was already spaced for that size because stock it had the SD El Diablo (formerly called Iommi). I was the second owner of this guitar and the original owner replaced it with a JB so I wanted something else as I had a guitar with a JB that sounded better and I went with the SLUG and am very glad I did.

The SLUG videos do a great job of showing what it sounds like but I will say it's a little punchier/tighter than given credit for and can be used for more than just stoner or doom metal.

 

[Lorenzar]

Re: Bridge PU to make an SG the ideal companion to an LP

Would it be still suited for stuffs like Pantera ?

One important thing, I live in France, so I don't know if it's easy to order through the custom shop.

But in the worst case, SH1/SH5 sounds like a good try.

But before that, like I said, I'll spend a little bit of time with those Dirty Fingers to see how it goes and give them a chance.

I probably won't change pickups on both my SG at the same time. So it's either I swap those Dirty Fingers for SD pickups and just change the magnets on my 490/498 installed on the standard SG or I keep the DF in the tribute 70's SG and try Custom8 in the standard SG.

One at a time ! We shall see !

 

[Gibson 1964]

Re: Bridge PU to make an SG the ideal companion to an LP

I'm curious about this. What were the applications, and what were the results? How would it be different from another other bassy/low-mid-heavy pickup in an SG bridge, like a Rio Grande BBQ or Tone Zone?

Umm, I find myself playing Sabbath with it a bit. It also does reasonably well replacing a p90 sound owing to the huge amount of mids, but still having enough highs for clarity. To me, it is just a different sound. I may be nuts for this, but I really like it's clean tone. It is a clean tone that thumps and hits hard. If all you want is Iommi, and stoner and doom metal, I guessthe slug would be a good choice.

Have you ever tried the invader? I really disliked it, but really liked the SLUG. Invader to me has tons of bass and low mids, but always came off as a little too dark sounding and not clear enough. The slug will give your guitar a voice very different than dime's but I would imagine you could still play pantera.

 

[Lorenzar]

Re: Bridge PU to make an SG the ideal companion to an LP

If the Slug has still some treble and clarity that's definitely a plus. I never tried the Invader but I fear something muddy.
I'm not chasing anybody's tone, and dimebag while being one of my fav, I think his tone is very specific to him and Pantera.

But yes, I'd like a hot and warm pickup with lots of mids, good bass but still clear enough to play stuffs that requires more clarity with the D/C# SG.

 

[iamthesuck]

Re: Bridge PU to make an SG the ideal companion to an LP

Get the slug for science!

 

[blueman335]

Re: Bridge PU to make an SG the ideal companion to an LP

Get the slug for science!

Just like grinding up insects to see at what concentration food starts tasting 'mothy.'

 

[Gibson 1964]

Re: Bridge PU to make an SG the ideal companion to an LP

If the Slug has still some treble and clarity that's definitely a plus. I never tried the Invader but I fear something muddy.
I'm not chasing anybody's tone, and dimebag while being one of my fav, I think his tone is very specific to him and Pantera.

But yes, I'd like a hot and warm pickup with lots of mids, good bass but still clear enough to play stuffs that requires more clarity with the D/C# SG.

The Slug has substantially more clarity than one would guess. Much more than I would have expected. It kinda does sound like what you want. Again, not what I would want while downtuning, (I prefer tight, and high mid focus for that.) but hey, we don't all want the same thing.

 

[Lorenzar]

Re: Bridge PU to make an SG the ideal companion to an LP

The Slug has substantially more clarity than one would guess. Much more than I would have expected. It kinda does sound like what you want. Again, not what I would want while downtuning, (I prefer tight, and high mid focus for that.) but hey, we don't all want the same thing.

I'd definitely give it a try...if I can put my hands on it in France which is far from sure.

Gonna be either that one, or custom Sh5.....or the stock dirty fingers if eventually I like them, you never know.

For the standard SG, custom 8 or 498T8 if I'm on a budget.

 

[iamthesuck]

Re: Bridge PU to make an SG the ideal companion to an LP

The alternative could be the bareknuckle warpig. It's right up that alley and is certainly available within the EU. A custom 8 would be good but the A8 magnet is a "love it or hate it" thing.

 

[Demanic]

Re: Bridge PU to make an SG the ideal companion to an LP

I'd go with the Custom if easily available, just for the ease of altering it with mag swaps. Don't forget that it also takes the UOA5 and the thick ceramic very well.

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[marytakesadrag]

Re: Bridge PU to make an SG the ideal companion to an LP

For your D or C tuned SG, try a Super 3 if you like mids, Custom if you want a more balanced tone, or Distortion for something a little brighter. Haven't tried it but heard good things about Nazgul which is a more lower mid sound than Distortion and nor as scooped as Custom.

Slug is a cool pickup but never tried. I do like my El Diablo (guy from anthrax ver. not Tony Iommi) in my Strat. May be OK in SG.

BKP are nice. Holy Diver and Nailbombs are more PAF flavored if you don't want a modern tone.

For your first SG, if you get a chance, try out WLH. Versatile. I have one in my SG and like it a lot.

 

[Snow007]

Re: Bridge PU to make an SG the ideal companion to an LP

Umm, I find myself playing Sabbath with it a bit. It also does reasonably well replacing a p90 sound owing to the huge amount of mids, but still having enough highs for clarity. To me, it is just a different sound. I may be nuts for this, but I really like it's clean tone. It is a clean tone that thumps and hits hard. If all you want is Iommi, and stoner and doom metal, I guessthe slug would be a good choice.

Have you ever tried the invader? I really disliked it, but really liked the SLUG. Invader to me has tons of bass and low mids, but always came off as a little too dark sounding and not clear enough. The slug will give your guitar a voice very different than dime's but I would imagine you could still play pantera.

I have the exact same results and thoughts as you. Regarding the Invader and the SLUG; I bought the Invader first and I wanted to love it but I didn't. It's good but when people say it's muddy, lacks definition or notes seem to blur together they're right. I wanted to love this pickup but the flaws people point out are generally true. The SLUG is what the Invader wishes it could be. It's like an Invader with a little less bass, way more mids, more highs and more clarity. It's not as clear as a jazz neck but it's as good as a high output bridge pickup can be.

I use a SLUG in D and I love it and I don't think it'd be an issue to take it to C either. B or A would be a bit too far imo.

 

[Lorenzar]

Re: Bridge PU to make an SG the ideal companion to an LP

For your D or C tuned SG, try a Super 3 if you like mids, Custom if you want a more balanced tone, or Distortion for something a little brighter. Haven't tried it but heard good things about Nazgul which is a more lower mid sound than Distortion and nor as scooped as Custom.

Slug is a cool pickup but never tried. I do like my El Diablo (guy from anthrax ver. not Tony Iommi) in my Strat. May be OK in SG.

BKP are nice. Holy Diver and Nailbombs are more PAF flavored if you don't want a modern tone.

For your first SG, if you get a chance, try out WLH. Versatile. I have one in my SG and like it a lot.

For my standard SG, I thought at some point about the Whole lotta, either a set or either paired with Pearly gates neck.

But I was thinking, considering their low output, maybe the SG would be too close to the alnico 2 LP I have in terms of possibility. (Classic 57 now, Slash set in the future).

On the other hand, if you have enough gain on the amp, high output is maybe not a necessity when you need to rock harder.

I'm not a complete rookie as far as pickups knowledge...but I'm not more than a sophomore I'd say.
Appreciate all you guys needed advices !

 

[marytakesadrag]

Re: Bridge PU to make an SG the ideal companion to an LP

The WLH handles gain well. It has an authoritative punch and nice bite to it that most of my higher output pickups don't have. IME higher output pickups have more girth but less definition and sometimes muddy bass as you increase the gain. I think if I had the WLH in a Les Paul, it'd be the ultimate gain monster because sometimes its a little too bright and thin in my SG, but I blame that mostly on my Vox. Through a Marshall, I'm sure it'd be a different story, but I don't really like Marshalls and no way I can afford a Mesa/Boogie Nevertheless, I like the bright tone (if I didn't, I would have picked a LP instead haha).

I think WLH are almost opposites to the Slash set: biting leads + crunchy & punchy tone vs smooth leads + warm middy tone. I think you'll cover a lot of ground between the two. Especially if you're going high output in your D or C tuning guitar anyway.

We're mostly sophmores here, maybe some juniors & seniors. I'm definitely a sophmore too. However, too many pickups out there and that's why we ask each other for their experience. Only reason I'm talking like I know more is because you haven't tried the WLH yet haha. You should! At least the bridge model.

Anyway rant over. Glad we can help. Good luck! SGs are the best IMO so you should be fine however way you go!