Broken neck/headstock?

Broken neck/headstock?

  • I don't know anyone who broke a headstock or neck

    Votes: 16 55.2%
  • I know someone who broke a headstock doing something silly

    Votes: 8 27.6%
  • I know someone who broke a headstock doing something ordinary

    Votes: 3 10.3%
  • The broken headstock was on a maple neck

    Votes: 5 17.2%
  • I know someone who broke a neck doing something silly

    Votes: 6 20.7%
  • I know someone who broke a neck doing something ordinary

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • The broken neck was maple

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Total voters
    29

aleclee

Major General GAS
The bolt vs. set neck discussion got me thinking. We had the very common argument that a bolt on neck could be replaced in the event of neck or headstock breakage. Of course, headstock breakage is easily repaired at a cost comparable to that of a decent Strat replacement neck but I was wondering just how common such "injuries" are. I know headstock damage happens, particularly to fragile LP scarf joints, but how about full-on neck breakage? It seems like full neck breakage was accompanied by something that might be considered questionable judgement.

While we're at it, I figured it might be good to share the materials since maple is stronger than mahogany and mahogany is often too soft for use in bolt-neck designs.

Share your experience and let's talk about it. I'd prefer it if you limited your answers to folks you actually know rather than a "friend of my cousin's boss".
 
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I have just recently started buying set necked guitars, I have always had bolt-ons before that. Haven't broken one yet, and I hope I never do.
 
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I know someone who had their headstock broken by one of the club's people walking across the stage and tripping over the chord of the guitar in a stand. It was a Les Paul, so it wasn't maple, and while it wasn't the best idea to leave the guitar onstage and plugged in, it's still pretty ordinary.
 
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When I was a teenage, these chicks were @ our band rehearsal. One of them somehow knocked my 1988 Les Paul custom off of the stand & onto the cement floor resulting in a detached headstock. I was going to detach her headstock, but later that night, she let me explore her body, & I temporarliy forgot what a guitar was.
 
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seafoamer said:
When I was a teenage, these chicks were @ our band rehearsal. One of them somehow knocked my 1988 Les Paul custom off of the stand & onto the cement floor resulting in a detached headstock. I was going to detach her headstock, but later that night, she let me explore her body, & I temporarliy forgot what a guitar was.


ROFL :32:
 
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Gibson must have more broken headstocks than any other brand.
 
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aleclee said:
I know headstock damage happens, particularly to fragile LP scarf joints........

The only real 'scarf' joints I'm aware of are on maple necked Ibanez/BC Rich/Jackson/Epiphone type guitars. Most of the Epi 'Les Pauls' have maple necks, contrary to the belief that they are mahogany, although I DID have an early model that had a scarf-jointed mahogany neck.......haven't seen another one since.

Scarf Joint - Hold your arms horizontal in front of your face, and lay one hand over top of the other..........your hands, in essence, are forming a scarf joint.

The Gibson Les Paul neck is made of one continuous length of wood from tenon to headstock tip. The majority of LPs that have mahogany necks are made of a single chunk of wood, with the exception of the thin 'ears' that are attached to the edges of the headstock. The headstock is NOT a seperate piece attached by a scarf joint. Many of the 'dark era' 70's maple necked LPs have multiple strips glued together to form a neck-width plank of wood, ala Hamer............but I've NEVER seen a Gibson les Paul with a 'scarf' joint.

Back on topic - As far as break go, I've repaired approximately 10 or so in my 20+ years of moonlight guitar repair (mostly hobby, partly profession). The majority of the repairs were to Les Pauls, in the headstock area, but not limited to the headstock-meets-neck area. A few have been splits through tuner holes, 2 or 3 were clean headstock breaks.......headstock seperated from the neck........and a handful were various maple neck breaks - Ibanez/BC Rich/etc. One of those was a mid-headstock snap, and another was a long split through the middle of the neck.

In my experience, most Gibson headstock breaks occur when the guitar falls forward onto its face. The string pressure combined with the slapping action of the headstock going face first causes the wood to break at the nut, since it is the first thing to hit the floor. I repaired a clean-headstock snap on a BEAUTIFUL Custom Shop $3000+ Les Paul Elegant. The guitar was BRAND NEW, and suffered the break during shipping while still in its unopened case (Thanks to UPS). The customer was heartbroken. The repair was undetectable, and the customer was thrilled, but sold the guitar shortly after the repair. His words - "A broken guitar will always be a broken guitar".

SGs, Explorers, 335s........they're all equally prone.

Advice - A GOOD repairman can perform a perfect structural headstock repair, as long as the customer didn't have a go at it first. I've scraped out Super Glue, Epoxy, Elmer's, and I've even filled screwholes!! Think 'Frankenstein'. An even BETTER repairman can make the repair all but disappear. Guitar Center here in Baltimore passed off a repaired Les Paul Custom on to a good friend of mine. HE didn't notice the repair, but I spotted tell-tale lines of demarkation shrinking into the black finish. He promptly returned the guitar, the salesman on duty inspected the guitar and claimed he couldn't see a "repair". Timing was perfect as another saleman walked by and casually stated, "Oh no, not that guitar again". Evidently it was developing a reputation. Needless to say, my buddy got his cash back and was out the door.

Be careful out there guys.

ONE GOOD THING!........a guitar with a headstock repair will NEVER bring top dollar, and for the right price, can make a great workhorse stage instrument.

Once, while visiting a friend's studio, a guy took a liking to a 'parts' Strat that I had loaned the studio. The guy offered up his broken-necked Paul Reed Smith (complete with the afore-mentioned Elmer's and screws) up for trade. I traded the 'Strat', repaired the PRS, and played it to death for a long time before finally reselling it to someone who intended to do the same.

Sorry for the long read, but this thread caught my attention, and I thought I could lend a little first-hand info.

Mike
 
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seafoamer said:
When I was a teenage, these chicks were @ our band rehearsal. One of them somehow knocked my 1988 Les Paul custom off of the stand & onto the cement floor resulting in a detached headstock. I was going to detach her headstock, but later that night, she let me explore her body, & I temporarliy forgot what a guitar was.
But what happened to the guitar!!!! :laugh2:
 
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theodie said:
Gibson must have more broken headstocks than any other brand.

I believe they probably have a lot, but my luthier told me about 6 months ago that the original series Deans are worse. I've never had any problems with mine, but that's what she told me.
 
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someone posted a picture of an RG a few weeks back, and this thread reminded me.. the truss rod closely resembled a pretzel fold :laugh2:

if i find it saved (which i probably did), i'll post it, its pretty good
 
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I know a guy that had an epiphone SG with a bigsby tailpiece, set neck, pretty cool looking.

he accidently snapped the neck off at the joint, while playing it. he had it repaired once, and it just broke again. i've heard that that is a common occurance with SG's in the 60's and 70's but i've never trusted any set necks since.
 
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An old bandmate of my fathers snapped the neck on his early 60's SG. He was pretty high/drunk pushing on the back of the neck and pulling on the body at the same time while playing the intro to Iron Man. Broke the neck somewhere near the neck joint. My dad thinks the story is pretty funny, his friend however, doesn't see the humor in it. :smack:

A friend of mine snapped the headstock off of a '63 Firebird, while it was in the case, putting it in the back of his car. Common problem on Firebirds though.
 
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Warheart said:
I know a guy that had an epiphone SG with a bigsby tailpiece, set neck, pretty cool looking.

he accidently snapped the neck off at the joint, while playing it. he had it repaired once, and it just broke again. i've heard that that is a common occurance with SG's in the 60's and 70's but i've never trusted any set necks since.

The SGs are notorious for neck breaks. It seems solely due to the fact that SG bodies are so thin. Actually, it's usually not the neck, it's the BODY that breaks where the neck heel is glued into the pocket. The neck's heel is almost as thick as the SG body, and the resulting deep pocket in the body leaves a very thin veneer of wood on the back of the guitar's body. The 'wings' of the SG have to support almost ALL of the string's tension on the neck joint. A simple bump in the wrong direction has been known to break the neck/body joint.........

http://www.everythingsg.com/images/sgcrack.jpg

A little history - Les Paul did not like the SG guitar, and pointed out it's weaknesses......

Les Paul - "The first SG Les Paul I saw was in a music store....and I didn't like the shape. A guy could kill himself on those sharp horns. It was too thin........the neck was skinny, and I didn't like the way it joined the body; there wasn't enough wood, at least in my opinion. So I called and asked them to take my name off the thing. It wasn't my design".

- excerpt from 'The Gibson Les Paul Book - A Complete History of Les Paul Guitars' by Tony Bacon & Paul Day.

Mike
 
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Bluzboy66 said:
The SGs are notorious for neck breaks. It seems solely due to the fact that SG bodies are so thin. Actually, it's usually not the neck, it's the BODY that breaks where the neck heel is glued into the pocket. The neck's heel is almost as thick as the SG body, and the resulting deep pocket in the body leaves a very thin veneer of wood on the back of the guitar's body. The 'wings' of the SG have to support almost ALL of the string's tension on the neck joint. A simple bump in the wrong direction has been known to break the neck/body joint.........
Wouldn't have been a problem had Gibson gone with the original neck-thru design. :(
 
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A friend of mine dropped his Jackson Dinky on its head a couple of years back. It snapped the headstock in two. BTW, this was with a maple neck, playing in church. No wild acrobatics were involved.
 
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a bandmate brocke the neck of his tokai sg when he was totally drunk an testing what would be more resistant, his guitar or a tree So he started smashing the guitar against a big oak in my garden and we all can imagine what happened. i voted for the second option and it was really one stupid thing but we were a totally wasted so we had a good laugh a least...until of course the next morning
 
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