Broken neck :(

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AlexR said:
It all depends on what you want. The above advice is interesting as they only sell bolt on style. So you'll have to do some routing from scratch, and on an angle too (to get the 4 degree neck angle you will need to rout the body on that same angle).

It will be a tough project thats for sure - not only for the removal but for the installation too.
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http://www.guitarfetish.com/SG-Styl...ets-Trapezoid-Inlays-Gloss-Finish_p_8858.html

They sell this one. I'm sure you can mod it to fit a LP by cutting/routing the tenon narrower.
 
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i own 2 Epi's with neck repairs... a Korina Explorer and an LP Standard... both were smashed rather baddly... the Explorer glued back nicely concidering the break... but the LP was glued back by someone before me and they messed up... i often thought of removing the LP's neck and add one of my homemade necks but i could not be bothered.... a lot of work for guitars not worth my extra efforts... i have returned them to working order but they sound like junk...
 
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AlexR said:
That would be a helluva task. In fact to do it you'd probably have to remove the fretboard.
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Not really. Mount your neck upside down (on the fretboard). Stick a template of a LP tenon on the bottom and then route it away bit by bit. Stop just before the fretboard.
 
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Yes really.....how are you going to remove the wood in the top corner?? You can try with a chisel, but you'll have to do as much crossgrain which the chisel doesn't like as much.
Then you have to do the 4.4 degree angle cut at the end of the mortice

Plus I've tried routing a mortice using a template this way. The first pass or two is great. The further you go down the more the leverage and the torque pulls the cut out of square (you have a VERY narrow base to sit the router on remember). By the time you've routed full depth you're a mm or so narrower on either side. My first scratch build died this way - the glue in neck didn't take due to the gap.
 
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I agree with J E C. Your best bet is cleaning up the broken area on the existing neck, getting it totally flat at a 20% angle and fabricating a new headstock. Problem is you have to have some fairly major skills to be able to do this and a repairman will charge you way more than the guitar is worth. If the guitar was mine I would fix it but well...
 
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Dr. Vegetable said:
You can fix that by using a very small piece of wood:

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I'm sorry but I thought this was pretty funny! :lmao:

If the guitar was free it's not worth investing in the repair in my opinion unless it has sentimental value.
 
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I say go for it. The GF Neck is only $50 and this will give a great chance to learn about guitar repair. If you succeed, great. If you don't for $50 you will learn about guitar construction.
 
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AlexR said:
Yes really.....how are you going to remove the wood in the top corner?? You can try with a chisel, but you'll have to do as much crossgrain which the chisel doesn't like as much.
Then you have to do the 4.4 degree angle cut at the end of the mortice

Plus I've tried routing a mortice using a template this way. The first pass or two is great. The further you go down the more the leverage and the torque pulls the cut out of square (you have a VERY narrow base to sit the router on remember). By the time you've routed full depth you're a mm or so narrower on either side. My first scratch build died this way - the glue in neck didn't take due to the gap.
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You're overcomplicating the whole situation..... It's completely doable. I've done something very similar with a fender style neck. Dovetailed to bottom to set it. There are devices made to clear out routed corners. Chisels and sandpaper work fine too. Lots of guys oversize the tenon and chisel, file and sand it down for a tight fit. The 4.4 degree angle is usually cut with a saw beforehand into the neck... Even the SG needs a angle so i'm assuming GFS has it precut. The other 4.4 is routed straight into the body so the Epi should have it.

As for your template, you should have used a box. build a box to height and cut out the negative space to use as your template. Much more stable.
Or at the very least, stick two blocks of wood on either side and one in front to act as rails...
 
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Any headstock break can be repaired if enough time and care is in it, but what you are suggesting will destroy the guitar even more then it is now. To do a proper neck repair the broken neck joint needs to be steamed to break it loose, then the neck and be removed. Once the broken neck has been removed a new neck can be fitted to the body. What you are suggesting is really hard. If any of your measurements are off just a small amount it will never intonate properly. If you are not prepared to take it to a qualified repair facility, then you have a pretty cool table
 
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Chocklit_Thunda said:
It's completely doable..
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The sort of person with the experience and tools that this is completely "completely doable" for wouldn't be here posting asking "what do i do with...."

Just for the tool cost alone this isnt a good idea for just an epiphone LP
 
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Securb said:
I say go for it. The GF Neck is only $50 and this will give a great chance to learn about guitar repair. If you succeed, great. If you don't for $50 you will learn about guitar construction.
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^ This. It seems like it would be a good opportunity to learn about construction/repair. I wouldn't do this as an investment in the guitar, though. And I wouldn't depend on having the end result be "gig-worthy."
 
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Edgecrusher said:
The sort of person with the experience and tools that this is completely "completely doable" for wouldn't be here posting asking "what do i do with...."

Just for the tool cost alone this isnt a good idea for just an epiphone LP
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A router and bits, some chisels, files, sandpaper, some plywood, clamps and a jig-saw. Nothing special there. If the OP was talking about repairing it himself then I should hope he has a few of those.
And what does "just and epiphone" mean? You do know that they're made pretty much the same as a Gibson, right?
 
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Chocklit_Thunda said:
A router and bits, some chisels, files, sandpaper, some plywood, clamps and a jig-saw. Nothing special there. If the OP was talking about repairing it himself then I should hope he has a few of those.
And what does "just and epiphone" mean? You do know that they're made pretty much the same as a Gibson, right?
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All guitars are pretty much the same not just epiphone and gibson. Still its a low end piece with no special significance to the OP he was given it cause someone was throwing it away. Its not something desirable that one would put a large effort out to rescue.

And how much does a router and bits and decent chisels cost? A couple hundred bucks? The same as a used Epi?... Unless he already has this stuff its probably not money ahead.
 
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Indeed, another alternative is to sell the pickups and hardware, torch the body, and use the proceeds to buy one that's not already pooched.

I think the "just an Epi" is not meant as a knock to Epiphone quality, but as a reality check on what this instrument would be worth if it were in perfect condition. If the OP can buy a decent condition used Epi for less than it will cost to repair this one, and if the end result is in no way guaranteed, then this is probably only worth fixing as a learning experience and not as an economical path to having a functional guitar. If things go extraordinarily well and the guitar ends up being even remotely playable after the operation, that is an added bonus.
 
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Dr. Vegetable said:
I think the "just an Epi" is not meant as a knock to Epiphone quality, but as a reality check on what this instrument would be worth if it were in perfect condition.
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You are correct sir... The whole just an epi thing revolves around that its a common cheaply replaced guitar. Nothing said nor implied of its quality.

The OP has been around here asking what new guitar should he buy. Not which project should I do. If the guy wants a new guitar this probably isnt his best path. Even more so his posted budget is on the lower end. If your working on a budget its better to not take risks on the outcome of a project.
 
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