Cabnet Speaker Question:

alex_dorsten

alex_dorsten

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I have a 2x12 cab with Celestion seventy/80s and I want to replace them with better speakers, and I was thinking a v30 and a greenback, or creamback or something like that... If I have two different speakers in a cab with different wattages could it hurt the speakers or the head? (It's also a 100 watt head) (and not sure about the second speaker would like some suggestions...)
 
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Well, if one is rated at handling way lower wattage than the other, it would bring the total power handling of the cab down, and that could be harmful if the total is too low, or if the amp blows the weaker speaker.

The other thing is their efficiency rating. If one is 97db, and the other is 103db, it will completely drown out the less efficient one.
 
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v30 and g12t75 is popular.
Wattage mismatch doesn't matter really, as long as the lower wattage speaker has enough watts to cover half the wattage of the amps output, so I guess if you are using different speakers in your case you should be looking for either speaker to be rated to minimum 50 watts.
As has been stated about, it is the efficiency of the two speakers that should be pretty close.
 
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The G12T75 at 97db, and the V30 at 100db, have a pretty stark mismatch in terms of sensitivity. I think it is a popular mixing mainly because they are what most people usually have on hand. Even though the Vintage 30 dominates, the extra low end of the 75s make for a nice mix. What the other lacks or may have too much of, the other speaker compliments.

On paper at least, in terms of sensitivity; the G12H30 or like should make a better pairing with a Vintage 30. The Vintage 30 seems louder than just about any speaker, even those of like sensitivity, because it is so strong in the midrange frequencies that make the guitar heard.
 
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Boogie Bill said:
Why not two V-30s? Why not two 65-watt Creambacks?

Bill
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Why settle for two of the same thing when you can have your own custom blend? I always think back to the Marshall TSL-122 combo, which had two different Celestions and sounded great. (I know it's a gamble. You just have to believe you've got the lucky dice.)
 
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Little Pigbacon said:
Why settle for two of the same thing when you can have your own custom blend? I always think back to the Marshall TSL-122 combo, which had two different Celestions and sounded great. (I know it's a gamble. You just have to believe you've got the lucky dice.)
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Two great speakers is not settling, in my book. I love my Mesa V-30 cabs. But, I have Mesa 412 and 212 Half-Back cabs that use different speakers in the open top (C-90) from the closed bottom (EVM). Mesa did the work for me, and they sound great. Not every "Custom Blend" is going to be good...and the odds are not in your favor.

But I don't want to to spend the time and the substantial financial resources to experiment for what I perceive as a minor benefit.

And if you run through every possible combination, how do you know when you have the right match...for every gig, every amp, every guitar? I think I'd rather work with what I know and adjust from there.

YMMV.

Bill
 
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c90, k100, EVM all pair well with v30. I prefer any of those combos over having all v30.
t75/v30 is good too, but I like any of those other mixes a bit more.
Either creamback model would also pair well w/ v30 I'd suspect, as would combining the creambacks with each other or with any of those other models I've listed.
 
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The pairing of a G12H30 and the Vintage 30 is a well established combination that works well:

Lately, the popular thing in many of the tone chat rooms, has been mixing two different speakers. A very popular mix is to have one Celestion G12H30 Anniversary and one Celestion Vintage 30, which is the best of both tone worlds. The G12H30 is rich with a warm break up and the Vintage 30 has more presence in the midrange frequencies.
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http://avatarspeakers.com/product/g212h-premier-traditional/

Since the OP needs 100 watts power handling the Creamback G12H rather than the 30 watt G12H would be the one to use if he wants a mixed combination.

I'm currently building two 2x12 cabs. One will be high efficiency using Vintage 30s, and the other will be low efficiency. I only need 50 watts power handling in both cases, but 2 V30s = 120 watts. I have a few Mesa spec Vintage 30s and Marshall Vintage versions I might try to mix and match and see what works best for the high efficiency cab, but it will be probably all Vintage 30s in any case. The low efficiency cab may end up all Heritage G12Ms or a mix of a Heritage G12M and an old great sounding American speaker I have. Or I may try the Heritage G12M with a standard reissue G12M25 just to see how that works too. I really love the Heritage G12M BTW. Great warm 3d tone quality.
 
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