Cabronita wiring help
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Re: Cabronita wiring help
Some of that might be remedied with shorter wire runs. The key is what looks like the braid of the pickups running to the switch. That part should go to the ground or back of pot as it contains chassis ground. I can't see any grounded lug for the volume pot either.
What wattage iron do you have?? The back of pot joins look on the edge of being cold joints.
Some of that might be remedied with shorter wire runs. The key is what looks like the braid of the pickups running to the switch. That part should go to the ground or back of pot as it contains chassis ground. I can't see any grounded lug for the volume pot either.
What wattage iron do you have?? The back of pot joins look on the edge of being cold joints.
Re: Cabronita wiring help
I think 360 is the melting point for solder - and you want it above that for pot backs as you need it to heat the local area VERY fast but also melt the solder.
I typically have mine on 450, which is as high as it goes. Once heated up properly the joint takes but a few seconds to do.
And organise the 'zorro' ground....by that I mean the convoluted ground on the back of pots. You bridge ground wire enters the cavity and you've not taken it to the nearest pot but the furthest. It then goes back the other way to the close pot, then back the other way yet again to the switch chassis. You might as well go from the switch chassis to the jack as that makes all the grounds one line and will make for the least noise.
Clip the cap leads too.
I think with the pickup leads the way they are you will probably have to rotate the switch 180deg for them to reach the tabs. Do whatever you can to prevent the need for splicing.
I think 360 is the melting point for solder - and you want it above that for pot backs as you need it to heat the local area VERY fast but also melt the solder.
I typically have mine on 450, which is as high as it goes. Once heated up properly the joint takes but a few seconds to do.
And organise the 'zorro' ground....by that I mean the convoluted ground on the back of pots. You bridge ground wire enters the cavity and you've not taken it to the nearest pot but the furthest. It then goes back the other way to the close pot, then back the other way yet again to the switch chassis. You might as well go from the switch chassis to the jack as that makes all the grounds one line and will make for the least noise.
Clip the cap leads too.
I think with the pickup leads the way they are you will probably have to rotate the switch 180deg for them to reach the tabs. Do whatever you can to prevent the need for splicing.
blakejcan
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Re: Cabronita wiring help
Yeah, that 3rd lug of the volume pot should be grounded...this is how the pot works as a volume..you are sending the signal 'to ground'.
Yeah, that 3rd lug of the volume pot should be grounded...this is how the pot works as a volume..you are sending the signal 'to ground'.
blakejcan
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Re: Cabronita wiring help
Here is where I need help.
When I look at this diagram:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/wiring-diagrams?meta_params=guitar-options,2-pickups,neck-h,bridge-h,1-volume,1-tone,3-way-toggle,accessory-none
and compare it to what I am working with I get a bit lost. My pickups are 2 conductor so I do not pay attention to the red & white wires at all. I get that.
That still leaves me with the grey, green & black wires in the SD diagram. My pickups only have the raw ground wire and one white or black wire per pickup. So for me, my white or black wire goes to the volume lug first?
And on that SD diagram, where they have that solder blob on the volume pot......is that on the actual lug or the back of the pot?
THanks!
Here is where I need help.
When I look at this diagram:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/wiring-diagrams?meta_params=guitar-options,2-pickups,neck-h,bridge-h,1-volume,1-tone,3-way-toggle,accessory-none
and compare it to what I am working with I get a bit lost. My pickups are 2 conductor so I do not pay attention to the red & white wires at all. I get that.
That still leaves me with the grey, green & black wires in the SD diagram. My pickups only have the raw ground wire and one white or black wire per pickup. So for me, my white or black wire goes to the volume lug first?
And on that SD diagram, where they have that solder blob on the volume pot......is that on the actual lug or the back of the pot?
THanks!
Re: Cabronita wiring help
You have effectively 3 wires. The outer braid is the green and shield (grey) together. As both of them are grounded with every wiring diagram applicable to 2-conductor pickups they are simply not needed to be separated out into 2 wires. Then you have the inner hot wire which goes to the switch. In this case that is the white wire with your pickups.
The reason why the blob is positioned like that is that the tab is bent back to the pot back and soldered there in many guitars. The other method is to take the cut end of the cap leg and bridge from tab to pot.
You have effectively 3 wires. The outer braid is the green and shield (grey) together. As both of them are grounded with every wiring diagram applicable to 2-conductor pickups they are simply not needed to be separated out into 2 wires. Then you have the inner hot wire which goes to the switch. In this case that is the white wire with your pickups.
The reason why the blob is positioned like that is that the tab is bent back to the pot back and soldered there in many guitars. The other method is to take the cut end of the cap leg and bridge from tab to pot.
blakejcan
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Re: Cabronita wiring help
That was helpful. Thank you
I still don't have it right but it at least looks cleaner
I don't think I'm getting anything from the bridge pickup and there is static when I touch the tone pit
Also why do the pots turn the opposite of any others I've used? By that I mean counterclockwise makes the volume go down
That was helpful. Thank you
I still don't have it right but it at least looks cleaner
I don't think I'm getting anything from the bridge pickup and there is static when I touch the tone pit
Also why do the pots turn the opposite of any others I've used? By that I mean counterclockwise makes the volume go down
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Have a look at the switch wires on the pickup sides.....I can't see the detail but make sure you have all connections clear of each other and that the ground wire and tab are clear of the bits that connect the hot signal.
Second point are the back of pot connections. These I still feel are a bit cold......both pickup braids look like the solder has shied away from it. Try reflowing these and getting the top looking more flat/smooth/puddle like
Have a look at the switch wires on the pickup sides.....I can't see the detail but make sure you have all connections clear of each other and that the ground wire and tab are clear of the bits that connect the hot signal.
Second point are the back of pot connections. These I still feel are a bit cold......both pickup braids look like the solder has shied away from it. Try reflowing these and getting the top looking more flat/smooth/puddle like
blakejcan
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Re: Cabronita wiring help
I went back and clipped a couple leads from the switch. I don't think anything was touching but they were close.
Been having a hard time w/ the back of pot connections. I can get the solder to flow but then the wires want to pop right off. I'll keep trying.
Does everything else look ok? As in, is everything in the right spot?
I went back and clipped a couple leads from the switch. I don't think anything was touching but they were close.
Been having a hard time w/ the back of pot connections. I can get the solder to flow but then the wires want to pop right off. I'll keep trying.
Does everything else look ok? As in, is everything in the right spot?
Re: Cabronita wiring help
You will need a ground wire connecting between the pots.
With regard to the pot back soldering - see if you can get the solder onto the wires without them on the pots. Once you can get them tinned then they might stick better to the solder on the pots.
Warm the pot then put the wire in the puddle of solder, and try and use the tip to 'hoosh' the excess over the top of the wire.
You will need a ground wire connecting between the pots.
With regard to the pot back soldering - see if you can get the solder onto the wires without them on the pots. Once you can get them tinned then they might stick better to the solder on the pots.
Warm the pot then put the wire in the puddle of solder, and try and use the tip to 'hoosh' the excess over the top of the wire.
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blakejcan
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Re: Cabronita wiring help
I put a wire between the two pots. Now my bridge works but not the neck?
I've been tinning my wires the whole time
I'm at a loss
I put a wire between the two pots. Now my bridge works but not the neck?
I've been tinning my wires the whole time
I'm at a loss
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In these sort of cases you need to trace the signal. Check between the pickup wires and the switch ground to see you are getting the approx right K reading for that pickup. Select the pickup with the switch and check that the signal is making it through the switch - there are electrical and mechanical issues to check.
Also check your new ground wire isn't connecting on the cap leg.
In these sort of cases you need to trace the signal. Check between the pickup wires and the switch ground to see you are getting the approx right K reading for that pickup. Select the pickup with the switch and check that the signal is making it through the switch - there are electrical and mechanical issues to check.
Also check your new ground wire isn't connecting on the cap leg.
blakejcan
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Re: Cabronita wiring help
DONE!
My fuzzin jack wires were backwards. Aaaaaargh. Dumb
Thank you very much Alex for sticking it out with me. Loving it!
DONE!
My fuzzin jack wires were backwards. Aaaaaargh. Dumb
Thank you very much Alex for sticking it out with me. Loving it!
