Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
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DiminisheD-7th
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hey
i will try to get a spot online to upload a new video clip, hope it will be soon.
but until then how can i help?
i dunno how good you are in sweeping or how far you've already gone, so the best way i could help now is by trying to describe the way i started sweeping.
if you already got it down then no pun intended. im just trying to help out.
so here goes...
before i started i developed alot of left hand speed doing malmsteen like 2 string triads (i was a 7th grader then give a break!)
i started out from 5 string sweeping and not from the 3 string ones at it is normally learned.. i dont have a clue why but a wider sweep seemed easier for me to start with.
anyways the first sweeping shape i learned was the basic 5 string minor shape that goes like:
E|----------------12-17---------------
B|-------------13-------13------------
G|----------14------------14----------
D|-------14------------------14-------
A|-12-15-----------------------15-12-
E|------------------------------------
this is the basic (1-b3-5) A minor arpeggio on 5 strings. the 3 string version would be the same, but playing only the top 3 strings (...)
i think its important to get the shape down good with your left hand before picking it. you should think how you'd approach it.
notice that on the D and G strings you play the same fret, in this shape i would fret both of them in a sort of bar with my third finger.
when going up and down remember to lift your first finger from the E (12th fret on high E) so the notes wont bleed into eachother(!).
there are alot of ways to get the clean sweeping sound, some players mute the strings they dont play with their right hand, some with their left, and some, like me, mute with both.
if you look in the video i posted look at the way my right hand is spread (alot of people play with their hand alot tighter, or even in a fist), this is done to mute the string with the side of the hand, and even abit with the pinky.
with the left i generally hold my fingers ready on the "shape" of the arpeggio, and sometimes hold my fingers so that they would touch the strings and prevent them from ringing.
the important thing to remember when sweeping is getting a clean sweep sound and not a chord-like thing so the better you can mute all the strings but the one you play, the better you're going to sound.
the movement of the right hand is abit hard to catch at first too.
the palm should stay rather still (i move it abit but just to save movement = being quicker eventually) most of the movement should come from above where your palm starts. its not an elbow-ish movment, but more of a middle-of-the-arm thing, atleast for me.
its important to REALY critisize everything you're doing, dont do discounts and say "ohh.. hmm this thing will be good eventually". try recording yourself and see how it sounds, sometimes you can catch things you dont hear/see when you're leaning from above the fretboard.
when you feel you're good enough with the minor shape, try other shapes. there are 3 main shapes for minor/major so learn them in both minor and major.
after you got it down technically, try analyzing the degree's you are playing and put the arpeggio more as a chord in your mind.
after you know what is what you can start playing arpeggio's with tensions and that is realy alot of fun especially in fusion/jazz.
IMO the best way to start out sweeping is playing Yngwie's stuff, its easy as hell, and because he's abit repetative you can see how the same shapes apply in different contexts, and nail it by learning his licks.
try doing it even if you're not too fond of him, having him as an influence is good if you ask me.
hope i've helped.
Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
hey
i will try to get a spot online to upload a new video clip, hope it will be soon.
but until then how can i help?
i dunno how good you are in sweeping or how far you've already gone, so the best way i could help now is by trying to describe the way i started sweeping.
if you already got it down then no pun intended. im just trying to help out.
so here goes...
before i started i developed alot of left hand speed doing malmsteen like 2 string triads (i was a 7th grader then give a break!)
i started out from 5 string sweeping and not from the 3 string ones at it is normally learned.. i dont have a clue why but a wider sweep seemed easier for me to start with.
anyways the first sweeping shape i learned was the basic 5 string minor shape that goes like:
E|----------------12-17---------------
B|-------------13-------13------------
G|----------14------------14----------
D|-------14------------------14-------
A|-12-15-----------------------15-12-
E|------------------------------------
this is the basic (1-b3-5) A minor arpeggio on 5 strings. the 3 string version would be the same, but playing only the top 3 strings (...)
i think its important to get the shape down good with your left hand before picking it. you should think how you'd approach it.
notice that on the D and G strings you play the same fret, in this shape i would fret both of them in a sort of bar with my third finger.
when going up and down remember to lift your first finger from the E (12th fret on high E) so the notes wont bleed into eachother(!).
there are alot of ways to get the clean sweeping sound, some players mute the strings they dont play with their right hand, some with their left, and some, like me, mute with both.
if you look in the video i posted look at the way my right hand is spread (alot of people play with their hand alot tighter, or even in a fist), this is done to mute the string with the side of the hand, and even abit with the pinky.
with the left i generally hold my fingers ready on the "shape" of the arpeggio, and sometimes hold my fingers so that they would touch the strings and prevent them from ringing.
the important thing to remember when sweeping is getting a clean sweep sound and not a chord-like thing so the better you can mute all the strings but the one you play, the better you're going to sound.
the movement of the right hand is abit hard to catch at first too.
the palm should stay rather still (i move it abit but just to save movement = being quicker eventually) most of the movement should come from above where your palm starts. its not an elbow-ish movment, but more of a middle-of-the-arm thing, atleast for me.
its important to REALY critisize everything you're doing, dont do discounts and say "ohh.. hmm this thing will be good eventually". try recording yourself and see how it sounds, sometimes you can catch things you dont hear/see when you're leaning from above the fretboard.
when you feel you're good enough with the minor shape, try other shapes. there are 3 main shapes for minor/major so learn them in both minor and major.
after you got it down technically, try analyzing the degree's you are playing and put the arpeggio more as a chord in your mind.
after you know what is what you can start playing arpeggio's with tensions and that is realy alot of fun especially in fusion/jazz.
IMO the best way to start out sweeping is playing Yngwie's stuff, its easy as hell, and because he's abit repetative you can see how the same shapes apply in different contexts, and nail it by learning his licks.
try doing it even if you're not too fond of him, having him as an influence is good if you ask me.
hope i've helped.
DiminisheD-7th
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Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
oh and my point in explaing that was that Jason Becker's Altitudes arpeggio's are bassicaly only from the 3 minor/major arpeggios so if you get them all down to the point you feel you're good enough with them, you can start practicing on altitudes and you wont even have to read the tabs because he's pretty much going up and down the arpeggios.
Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
oh and my point in explaing that was that Jason Becker's Altitudes arpeggio's are bassicaly only from the 3 minor/major arpeggios so if you get them all down to the point you feel you're good enough with them, you can start practicing on altitudes and you wont even have to read the tabs because he's pretty much going up and down the arpeggios.
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HeadBanginologist
Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
what he said
Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
what he said
Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
Thanks! so when you can, please post a topic that says calling GuyKawka with the clip. Thanks alot! it reallt helped. I practised that arpeggios sweep and I onlt have one question...when you play it, do you release your finger from the arpeggio shape or do you keep your finger on the strings? Thanks again.
Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
Thanks! so when you can, please post a topic that says calling GuyKawka with the clip. Thanks alot! it reallt helped. I practised that arpeggios sweep and I onlt have one question...when you play it, do you release your finger from the arpeggio shape or do you keep your finger on the strings? Thanks again.
Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
I've just learned all of Arpeggios from hell....the arpeggios mostly weren't the problem. I played it at full speed on my first try, played it cleanly and very good if you ask me. Anyways the catch is that I played almost all of the song using alternate picking....should I learn it using sweeping? And I also learned Black Star(all of it, and in that song I did use sweeps), and I also learned the Rising Force solo, but slowly, I'm going to buy myself a metronome, so I'm going to build my speed up. So I learned my 3 favorite Yngwie songs. I have one more-Other Side, but it seems really boring. So what songs should I play now? And btw: how do you pronounce Yngwie? lol I pronounce it ying-wee lol I think its wrong, I've once heard someone pronounce it Ingvee...
Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
I've just learned all of Arpeggios from hell....the arpeggios mostly weren't the problem. I played it at full speed on my first try, played it cleanly and very good if you ask me. Anyways the catch is that I played almost all of the song using alternate picking....should I learn it using sweeping? And I also learned Black Star(all of it, and in that song I did use sweeps), and I also learned the Rising Force solo, but slowly, I'm going to buy myself a metronome, so I'm going to build my speed up. So I learned my 3 favorite Yngwie songs. I have one more-Other Side, but it seems really boring. So what songs should I play now? And btw: how do you pronounce Yngwie? lol I pronounce it ying-wee lol I think its wrong, I've once heard someone pronounce it Ingvee...
DiminisheD-7th
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Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
i'll try to see when i can get to it.
i do it a bit differently with the different shapes.
what i usually do is keep the fingers on the shape on the bunch of strings im working on (you can hold the entire 5 string shape anyway). when you do release them hold them close at bay and prepared to fret.
Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
i'll try to see when i can get to it.
i do it a bit differently with the different shapes.
what i usually do is keep the fingers on the shape on the bunch of strings im working on (you can hold the entire 5 string shape anyway). when you do release them hold them close at bay and prepared to fret.
DiminisheD-7th
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Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
try playing Symphony X stuff now
songs like Sea of Lies, Out of Ashes, Of Sins and Shadows, The Damnation Game
excellent stuff to develop speed in all techniques, and it should challange you aswell.
Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
try playing Symphony X stuff now
songs like Sea of Lies, Out of Ashes, Of Sins and Shadows, The Damnation Game
excellent stuff to develop speed in all techniques, and it should challange you aswell.
Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
Thanks, I'll dl those songs, see how they are, and I just finished all of Flight of the Bumblebee at 80bpm. I also finished Eugenes Trickbag at 55/60 bpm. Well, now I have those Symphony X stuff, Malmsteems' Otherside, and I should finsih all of the Altitudes. Oh ya, I have the easier stuff such as Summer Song and Surfing with the ALien. Thanks Diminished. Hope to see your video of the Sea of Lies or/and (if you canalso) Altitudes.
Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
Thanks, I'll dl those songs, see how they are, and I just finished all of Flight of the Bumblebee at 80bpm. I also finished Eugenes Trickbag at 55/60 bpm. Well, now I have those Symphony X stuff, Malmsteems' Otherside, and I should finsih all of the Altitudes. Oh ya, I have the easier stuff such as Summer Song and Surfing with the ALien. Thanks Diminished. Hope to see your video of the Sea of Lies or/and (if you canalso) Altitudes.
shred me good
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Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
dear guykawka.
im realy sorry if what i say is wrong.
however i am compelled to thwart your boasting!
please post a clip of you playing any of above songs, i would be especialy intrigued as to how you managed arpegios from hell at full speed first try????
bumblebee that slow is baricly possible with 1 finger considering it is played at 240bpm normaly, and ok eugenes trick bag might be possible at a glance, but i realy cant see somone sutch as yourself learning to sweep pick, from not even knowing what it was, to the standard of malmsteen in the space of less than a week. i dont believe a word.
consider your bubble burst.
ps please prove me wrong with a vidio clip of anything that you say you can play
Re: Calling DiminishedD7-th or anyone that can play the sweeps in Jason Beckers Altitudes
dear guykawka.
im realy sorry if what i say is wrong.
however i am compelled to thwart your boasting!
please post a clip of you playing any of above songs, i would be especialy intrigued as to how you managed arpegios from hell at full speed first try????
bumblebee that slow is baricly possible with 1 finger considering it is played at 240bpm normaly, and ok eugenes trick bag might be possible at a glance, but i realy cant see somone sutch as yourself learning to sweep pick, from not even knowing what it was, to the standard of malmsteen in the space of less than a week. i dont believe a word.
consider your bubble burst.
ps please prove me wrong with a vidio clip of anything that you say you can play
