Can 15Watts compete w, 100Watts live ?

SirJackdeFuzz

SirJackdeFuzz

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Gentlemen, please help me out :chairfall - again !


Can an Orange Tiny Terror (15watts) w. a 2x12 cab, fitted w. Greenbacks, compete/hang with a stock, Peavey ValveKing (100W, 2x12 combo), in a gig when both amps get mic'ed ?

The venue is +/- 200-250 person club !

Oh, and do not worry about clean tones, we are not gonna need "clean", period ! (...Stoner Rock type of gig, you see)


Many Thanx
;)
 
Re: Can 15Watts compete w, 100Watts live ?

Only if the Orange is cranked, and the Peavey is set at 4. It's likely the smaller cranked amp will sound more gutsy through a PA too.
 
Re: Can 15Watts compete w, 100Watts live ?

Technically speaking, you'd need 150W to be perceived as twice as loud as 15W. So yeah, if you're both mic'd, you should be ok.
 
Re: Can 15Watts compete w, 100Watts live ?

JB_From_Hell said:
Technically speaking, you'd need 150W to be perceived as twice as loud as 15W. So yeah, if you're both mic'd, you should be ok.
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Well, i am bargainning(sp?) on a good soundman/tech, too !

You know, the type that is always shouting, "TURN THAT THING DOWN !!!"

When is the last time anyone was allowed to 'dime' a 100W, all-valve amp at a mic'ed gig, any ways ?

I can live with a Tiny Terror at 8-10 and a ValveKing at "4" :fing25: (as i will be the one w. the TT - not mine though)


Anyone else ?



EDIT :

. . . this club is regarded as the one w. the best in-house PA in the city !
 
Re: Can 15Watts compete w, 100Watts live ?

I had a 60W tube head going into a 2x12, miked, at a room that could fit about 200. With the gain opened up all the way, I had my master set to 3. The sound guy literally ran out on stage and chewed on me for being too loud.

A 15 Watter shouldn't be THAT much more quiet, and if you're going to be miked I doubt you'll be able to dime even the TT. For mix presence against the Valve King, the main knob you should be cranking is the mids.
 
Re: Can 15Watts compete w, 100Watts live ?

Like GJ said, as long as the dude with the Peavey isn't running full tilt, you'll be ok.
 
Re: Can 15Watts compete w, 100Watts live ?

FamousForSustain said:
I had a 60W tube head going into a 2x12, miked, at a room that could fit about 200. With the gain opened up all the way, I had my master set to 3. The sound guy literally ran out on stage and chewed on me for being too loud.

A 15 Watter shouldn't be THAT much more quiet, and if you're going to be miked I doubt you'll be able to dime even the TT. For mix presence against the Valve King, the main knob you should be cranking is the mids.
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http://www.orangeamps.com/tinyterror/ - as you can see the Tiny Terror has only one knob for tone.

I believe it is a kind of trebble cut/boost knob, so can i use an EQ pedal between the head and cab ?
I never owned a Head/cab combo before, so i do not know if this can be done ?
 
Re: Can 15Watts compete w, 100Watts live ?

The Orange TT has a single tone control, that like almost all amps with a single tone control is a treble roll off. As for gigging next to a 100 watter with both amps feeding 2x12 cabs I would really want to say no but it is possble. Greenbacks are not very efficient speakers (97db) and you're only pushing 15 watts, if the other guitar player is cool enough to understand that he has FAR more power than you and doesn't insist on cranking his amp up then you could pull it off, all that said I might look into a more efficient speaker.
 
Re: Can 15Watts compete w, 100Watts live ?

you could also help yourself out by using a direct box with a speaker sim in conjunction with the 2x12. that way you'll have 2 channels that the sound guy can use to mix you: mic'ed and direct. behringer's ultra g is good for that, and it can handle a lot of wattage from a speaker output and also feed into the speaker cab. i have one, and although i've never used it like that, it sounds like it would work well in your case. and it's cheap as dirt.

linky:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-GI100-UltraG-DI-Box?sku=150934
 
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Re: Can 15Watts compete w, 100Watts live ?

DankStar said:
you could also help yourself out by using a direct box with a speaker sim in conjunction with the 2x12. that way you'll have 2 channels that the sound guy can use to mix you: mic'ed and direct. behringer's ultra g is good for that, and it can handle a lot of wattage from a speaker output and also feed into the speaker cab. i have one, but i've never used it like that, but it sounds like it would work well in your case. and it's cheap as dirt.

linky:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-GI100-UltraG-DI-Box?sku=150934
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GREAT, that sounds like a brilliant plan !

Seeing that my local store are the, "Master of Behringer" (that is the only product that they stock all the gear from) i'll go and look into one TODAY still !

Thanx !
 
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the guy who invented fire said:
The Orange TT has a single tone control, that like almost all amps with a single tone control is a treble roll off. As for gigging next to a 100 watter with both amps feeding 2x12 cabs I would really want to say no but it is possble. Greenbacks are not very efficient speakers (97db) and you're only pushing 15 watts, if the other guitar player is cool enough to understand that he has FAR more power than you and doesn't insist on cranking his amp up then you could pull it off, all that said I might look into a more efficient speaker.
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Christian . . .


. . . i know it is not any louder, but will it help, if i take my own Blues Jr. along, and use a splitter box that will enable me to run both the TT & BJr. at the same time ?

I can get another 2x12 cab for the BJr., but i have no idea what speakers is in there - the cab has some vintage speakers from the mi-70's, i think !
Will two 15watter's, with two 2x12's, help me out a bit more ? (...than just the TT on it's own ?)

I also have an MXR Micro Amp, that i can use just before the splitter box for that lil' extra vol. bump (...or will it just saturate the pre-amps even more ?)

Man, i need to get a Celtic amp real quick !

(...or an Orange AD30HTC)


Thanx
;)
 
Re: Can 15Watts compete w, 100Watts live ?

This is the deal bro...if your other guitar player is using his head and doesn't have to crankhis PV to get his tone, and you are ruynning through a PA then you shoudl be fine...my only deal would be him trying to crank his PV and/or stage volume...if you wanted to split the signal and use the BJ as some kind of personal monitor and to bring you're stage volume up that would be a great idea. As fopr the micro amp, if you're running a 15 watter or 2 loud enough to keep up with a 100 watter adding a microamp will only send you over the edge and likely be noisy and give you issues with feedback...just my 2 cents. Also, keep in mind...every stage can be different. really the best thing I can tell you is to take eerything you think you might need at the gig and just see what is gonna work out best for you in that setting...
 
Re: Can 15Watts compete w, 100Watts live ?

SirJackdeFuzz said:
GREAT, that sounds like a brilliant plan !

Seeing that my local store are the, "Master of Behringer" (that is the only product that they stock all the gear from) i'll go and look into one TODAY still !

Thanx !
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cool deal - lemme know how it works out. i'm very curious actually! i figured if I got into a band, I'd use that setup with some of my smaller tube amps.
 
Re: Can 15Watts compete w, 100Watts live ?

the guy who invented fire said:
This is the deal bro...if your other guitar player is using his head and doesn't have to crankhis PV to get his tone, and you are ruynning through a PA then you shoudl be fine...my only deal would be him trying to crank his PV and/or stage volume...if you wanted to split the signal and use the BJ as some kind of personal monitor and to bring you're stage volume up that would be a great idea. As fopr the micro amp, if you're running a 15 watter or 2 loud enough to keep up with a 100 watter adding a microamp will only send you over the edge and likely be noisy and give you issues with feedback...just my 2 cents. Also, keep in mind...every stage can be different. really the best thing I can tell you is to take eerything you think you might need at the gig and just see what is gonna work out best for you in that setting...
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Thanx for the advise, i think that is a good idea, as i live only 25min car drive away from the venue !
They, the band asked me to help them out - as 2nd guitarist - so i am sure they will not crank the Peavey to over-shadow me, as they asked me to play with them.
 
Re: Can 15Watts compete w, 100Watts live ?

DankStar said:
cool deal - lemme know how it works out. i'm very curious actually! i figured if I got into a band, I'd use that setup with some of my smaller tube amps.
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So, after comming from the optomitrist, i droped into the MickeyMouse Guitar Store, and they did not have one !

Turns out, the last one was bought a week ago - by my brother !!! :blackeye:

I never knew he even needed one !

I will catch up with him over the week-end, and test it !
 
Re: Can 15Watts compete w, 100Watts live ?

With the promise of first choice of groupies to the soundman, anything is possible.
 
Re: Can 15Watts compete w, 100Watts live ?

I like the idea of you using both amps, more spread and depth.

but you'll be relying on your monitor mix, so be nice to the sound guy and make sure you're happy before the gig.
 
Re: Can 15Watts compete w, 100Watts live ?

I dunno man, a stoner rock gig with nothin but 2x12's for each guitarist? Seems a little lackluster after seeing TORCHE'S rig...

When I have my Bassman (50 watts) around 5 and my Valve Jr. (5 watts) cranked they're about the same volume...so at 15 watts you should be just a little over half as loud as his Peavy. If you're playing cranked-up stoner rhythms I wouldn't even worry bro, turn up your Tiny Terror and make sure the riff stays steady. You'll probably sound heavier than him anyway, those li'l Orange's are AAANGRY...

-X
 
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