falcopryor
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it was taken out of a late 90's Washburn.
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
Can anyone tell me what a "TI1BL" humbucker is?
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Re: Can anyone tell me what a "TI1BL" humbucker is?
A Tremspaced CustomCustom Bridge (yes, Tremspaced and bridge are redundant, but it happens), wound by "L"
*edit:wait stop, hold the presses, I somehow misread the label as TB 11 BL...
I want to say TI 1b, but that would be an Iommi pickup, which was 1. Never a production pickup, and 2. Has a completely different look, 2 huge rails....
That said, it could actually be a misprint that slipped by QA on a Monday morning pre-coffee, or was deemed to be "still close enough", since it was going to an OEM and not an end user and tehy likely get bulk shipments of a few dozen identical ones, making it harder to grab the wrong one by mistake /sticker misprint.
I know Washburn used CustomCustoms in quite a few guitars in the 90s and early 2000s.... Can you measure the DC resistance? that would help us narrow it down, if it`S in teh 14k +/- range it probably IS a CustomCustom Trembucker... Or if you could tell us what guitar is was specifically, the Spec sheet will probably tell us outright if it can be found online, assuming it was original to the guitar.
A Tremspaced CustomCustom Bridge (yes, Tremspaced and bridge are redundant, but it happens), wound by "L"
*edit:wait stop, hold the presses, I somehow misread the label as TB 11 BL...
I want to say TI 1b, but that would be an Iommi pickup, which was 1. Never a production pickup, and 2. Has a completely different look, 2 huge rails....
That said, it could actually be a misprint that slipped by QA on a Monday morning pre-coffee, or was deemed to be "still close enough", since it was going to an OEM and not an end user and tehy likely get bulk shipments of a few dozen identical ones, making it harder to grab the wrong one by mistake /sticker misprint.
I know Washburn used CustomCustoms in quite a few guitars in the 90s and early 2000s.... Can you measure the DC resistance? that would help us narrow it down, if it`S in teh 14k +/- range it probably IS a CustomCustom Trembucker... Or if you could tell us what guitar is was specifically, the Spec sheet will probably tell us outright if it can be found online, assuming it was original to the guitar.
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falcopryor
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Re: Can anyone tell me what a "TI1BL" humbucker is?
it was out of a Washburn P3. I think these were supped to come with Custom bridges. I don't have a meter to help but it was pretty hot sounding in the bridge.
it was out of a Washburn P3. I think these were supped to come with Custom bridges. I don't have a meter to help but it was pretty hot sounding in the bridge.
Falloffthebonetone
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Re: Can anyone tell me what a "TI1BL" humbucker is?
Ok I dug FAR for this one. There was another thread on this pickup forum a couple years back from someone else. Here it is.
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...-would-a-humbucker-labeled-quot-TI1BL-quot-be
Coincidentally it was started to aid ANOTHER forum's search, which is this one.
http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/Electric-Guitars/Help-identify-seymour-duncan-pup/td-p/30280184
After reading both forums it can be concluded that it has is Alnico magnet, paf style pickup wound to about 15 ohms. At the end of the Harmony Central forum word gets back from Duncan saying it is a Tony Iommi Signature, but this can't be right because that pickup has 2 bars instead of polepieces and is wound to about 20 something ohms. BUT after reading into it EVEN FURTHER, I found that it IS labeld elsewhere a prototype Tony Iommi pickup. FURTHER MORE with the exception of the slug pole pieces it bears STRIKING resemblance to the ORIGINAL Duncan El Diablo, which was wound to around 14-15 ohms and had an Alnico V magnet. The Tony Iommi Duncan signature is known as the El Diablo NOW, which you can read about more here.
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...blo-quot-quot-Iommi-quot-and-HB-104-Explained!
This humbucker was created at the request of Scott Ian who AT THE TIME was endorsed by Washburn. Even though THIS El Diablo was never in any models. This pickup being in another guitar that was also a Washburn was likely purely coincidental as the guy in the other forums said the pickups weren't stock.
NONE of this rules out the possibility of it being a Custom Custom. But I have to ask, what model Washburn was this guitar taken out of, and can you possibly use the serial number to date it? This way we could find out if this pickup was stock. Then the specs of the model will likely tell us what the pickup is. If it's aftermarket that's still a step in the right direction.
So it could be an Iommi prototype like Duncan says, an El Diablo variation for early on Scott Ian era Washburns, or a Custom Custom from an odd labeling period.
L means it was wound by Linda Daniel since it's a humbucker.
Ok I dug FAR for this one. There was another thread on this pickup forum a couple years back from someone else. Here it is.
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...-would-a-humbucker-labeled-quot-TI1BL-quot-be
Coincidentally it was started to aid ANOTHER forum's search, which is this one.
http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/Electric-Guitars/Help-identify-seymour-duncan-pup/td-p/30280184
After reading both forums it can be concluded that it has is Alnico magnet, paf style pickup wound to about 15 ohms. At the end of the Harmony Central forum word gets back from Duncan saying it is a Tony Iommi Signature, but this can't be right because that pickup has 2 bars instead of polepieces and is wound to about 20 something ohms. BUT after reading into it EVEN FURTHER, I found that it IS labeld elsewhere a prototype Tony Iommi pickup. FURTHER MORE with the exception of the slug pole pieces it bears STRIKING resemblance to the ORIGINAL Duncan El Diablo, which was wound to around 14-15 ohms and had an Alnico V magnet. The Tony Iommi Duncan signature is known as the El Diablo NOW, which you can read about more here.
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...blo-quot-quot-Iommi-quot-and-HB-104-Explained!
This humbucker was created at the request of Scott Ian who AT THE TIME was endorsed by Washburn. Even though THIS El Diablo was never in any models. This pickup being in another guitar that was also a Washburn was likely purely coincidental as the guy in the other forums said the pickups weren't stock.
NONE of this rules out the possibility of it being a Custom Custom. But I have to ask, what model Washburn was this guitar taken out of, and can you possibly use the serial number to date it? This way we could find out if this pickup was stock. Then the specs of the model will likely tell us what the pickup is. If it's aftermarket that's still a step in the right direction.
So it could be an Iommi prototype like Duncan says, an El Diablo variation for early on Scott Ian era Washburns, or a Custom Custom from an odd labeling period.
L means it was wound by Linda Daniel since it's a humbucker.
falcopryor
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Re: Can anyone tell me what a "TI1BL" humbucker is?
WoW! thanks for the legwork.. it was aftermarket for sure.. had added wire to reach the toggle in a Washburn P3. I believe those were supposed to be regular Ducan Customs. Thanks again man.
WoW! thanks for the legwork.. it was aftermarket for sure.. had added wire to reach the toggle in a Washburn P3. I believe those were supposed to be regular Ducan Customs. Thanks again man.
Falloffthebonetone
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Re: Can anyone tell me what a "TI1BL" humbucker is?
Then it used to be a common aftermarket for these things. I wonder if we try contacting Duncan now they'd know. Anytime man, I LOVE digging for this stuff. If you take a look at the magnet you can find out what kind of custom it is.
Then it used to be a common aftermarket for these things. I wonder if we try contacting Duncan now they'd know. Anytime man, I LOVE digging for this stuff. If you take a look at the magnet you can find out what kind of custom it is.
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Masta' C
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Re: Can anyone tell me what a "TI1BL" humbucker is?
That's a member of the "Custom" series made as OEM for Washburn. Found in quite a few of their guitars. I've even seen a few pop up loose in G.Man Music's auctions with that label (they sell overstock and NOS parts from Washburn/Parker).
Definitely not an Iommi or "El Diablo" model, though I can see how the "TI" would cause some confusion.
If you put it on the meter, it should read in the 15K ohm range or thereabouts. Probably stock in that exact guitar, swapped out at some point and then replaced later on when it was sold. Some new screws and a little elbow grease would have that looking like new again! You might be able to narrow it down a bit more if you can see the magnet below the bobbins. If it's shiny, it's a Custom Custom or a Custom 5. If it's dull and charcoal-like, it's a regular Custom.
That's a member of the "Custom" series made as OEM for Washburn. Found in quite a few of their guitars. I've even seen a few pop up loose in G.Man Music's auctions with that label (they sell overstock and NOS parts from Washburn/Parker).
Definitely not an Iommi or "El Diablo" model, though I can see how the "TI" would cause some confusion.
If you put it on the meter, it should read in the 15K ohm range or thereabouts. Probably stock in that exact guitar, swapped out at some point and then replaced later on when it was sold. Some new screws and a little elbow grease would have that looking like new again! You might be able to narrow it down a bit more if you can see the magnet below the bobbins. If it's shiny, it's a Custom Custom or a Custom 5. If it's dull and charcoal-like, it's a regular Custom.
Falloffthebonetone
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Re: Can anyone tell me what a "TI1BL" humbucker is?
If it turns out to be alnico like the other one in the other forum, determined which one it is by it's sound. They should sound totally different. Seems more likely that it's a custom custom though as they are more common in stock washburns, especially p3s. Still makes me wonder about the label, and why Duncan customer service would say it's an Iommi model in the first place when they saw what the pickup looked like.
If it turns out to be alnico like the other one in the other forum, determined which one it is by it's sound. They should sound totally different. Seems more likely that it's a custom custom though as they are more common in stock washburns, especially p3s. Still makes me wonder about the label, and why Duncan customer service would say it's an Iommi model in the first place when they saw what the pickup looked like.
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Masta' C
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Re: Can anyone tell me what a "TI1BL" humbucker is?
Part of the charm of the O.G. "El Diablo" was that it retained the hex pole/fillister screw combination of the Screamin' Demon. Prior to 2002, Washburn wasn't big on fitting guitars with any true Custom Shop models, either. Also, the dual-rail Iommi (later rebranded "El Diablo") was the only pickup created for Iommi.
There's a 99% chance this is just a regular Custom Custom. If the magnet is shiny, make that a 99.5% chance (the other 0.5% chance being a Custom 5).
I've seen these very pickups before. These were supplied to Washburn in bulk and not labeled/packaged like the retail models. While it's possible that they *could* have been slightly tweaked to Washburn's specs, it is extremely unlikely due to their incessant penny pinching, even in the late '90s. Also, it is not uncommon to see similar numbering patterns among the various Washburn and Parker OEM pickups, even from DiMarzio, etc.
I really wouldn't read too much into it. If you dig the pickup, clean it up, put it back in and keep on rockin'!
Part of the charm of the O.G. "El Diablo" was that it retained the hex pole/fillister screw combination of the Screamin' Demon. Prior to 2002, Washburn wasn't big on fitting guitars with any true Custom Shop models, either. Also, the dual-rail Iommi (later rebranded "El Diablo") was the only pickup created for Iommi.
There's a 99% chance this is just a regular Custom Custom. If the magnet is shiny, make that a 99.5% chance (the other 0.5% chance being a Custom 5).
I've seen these very pickups before. These were supplied to Washburn in bulk and not labeled/packaged like the retail models. While it's possible that they *could* have been slightly tweaked to Washburn's specs, it is extremely unlikely due to their incessant penny pinching, even in the late '90s. Also, it is not uncommon to see similar numbering patterns among the various Washburn and Parker OEM pickups, even from DiMarzio, etc.
I really wouldn't read too much into it. If you dig the pickup, clean it up, put it back in and keep on rockin'!
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