Can someone please explain inductance to me in simple terms?

Re: Can someone please explain inductance to me in simple terms?

Inductance can not be explained in simple terms other than to say that it is "That property that opposes a change in current."

The amount of opposition to an AC signal through a coil is called Inductive Reactance. It is measured in Ohms, just like a resistor.

If you wind a bunch of turns of wire around a steel core, the current thru the wire will generate a magnetic field. According to Lenzs Law, the polarity of that field will be orientated in such a way as to push back against the voltage that is generating it. The voltage finally wins, but that opposing mag field keeps current from flowing thru the inductor until the voltage is at a max and the mag field is no longer increasing, and therefore no longer opposing a change in current. When the mag field begins to collapse from a decending voltage, it does so in a way that increases current thru the coil. It induces a voltage into the winding that causes the flow of current. So when the voltage is rising, the inductance keeps the current from rising with it. And when the voltage is going down, the inductance keeps the current from dropping. The net effect is that the current will be smoothed out. This is what a smoothing choke does inn a power supply.

The formula for Inductaive Reactance is XL = 2 pi f L where 2 pi = about 6.28, f is frequency measured in Hertz, and L is the amount of inductance in Henrys.

Example Calculation: Coil: 10 Henries Frequency: 10 Hz. What is the Reactance or Resistance to the AC signal of 10 Hz?

Easy. XL (Inductive Reactance) = 6.28 * 10 Henries * 10 Hz = 6.28 * 100 = 628 Ohms.

So if you had, lets say, a 1 Volt signal at 10 Hz in series with a 10 Henry coil, the current through the coil would be 1/618 = 0.0016 Amperes. (Using Ohms Law E = IR)

So once you know your Reactance in Ohms, you can use it just like a resistor in the Ohms Law formula.

Now this is where things get interesting. Reactance, if you look at the formula, depends on frequency. So the resistance to an AC signal from the coil is non linear. It will go up as the frequency goes up.

So lets say you hit a low A note on your Les Paul. That 10 Henry coil will offer up about 6.28 * 110 Hz * 10 H = 6900 ohms of resistance. This is the resistance that the signal will be developed across in the pickup coil. Now if you play an A note an octave above your low A, you will have an XL of 6.28 * 220 Hz * 10 H = 13,800 ohms, or twice that of the reactance you had with the low A.

This means that if you hit a very high note, like an A up on the 17th fret, 880 Hz, you will be developing your guitar signal across a resistance of 6.28 * 880 Hz * 10 H = 55,000 Ohms, or 55 K Ohms if you like. This means that very little current will be lost through the coil and that as a result, most of the string energy will be transmitted to the guitar amp.

As luck would have it, your bass strings are thicker than your treble strings, so they generate more signal on the pickup when they cut across that magnetic field of the pickups, so things tend to balance out, the bass notes put out more juice than the trebles, but more of that juice will be needed by the pickup coil to give you the same voltage output as a treble string, because the Reactance of the coil is lower at bass frequencies so more current will flow through the coil. At treble frequencies, the small .010" string will not generate as much signal, but less will be lost through the coil as the reactance of the coil goes up with frequency.

So pickup makers can tweak the frequency response of the pickup by changing the inductance, or Henries of the coil. More turns means more inductance, which means less loss at the bass frequencies. Less turns will mean a brighter coil as you will lose bass energy due to the ohms of the pickup being lower due to less inductance. Note that inductance goes up with the Square of the turns. So if 100 turns = 1 Henry, 200 = 4 Henries. (2/1 = 2, then 2^2 = 4)

But the fun does not stop there. Since there is metal inside the coil in the form of slugs and pole pieces, you have what amounts to an iron core inductor. With that comes a whole new list of formulas and mathematical models that will fill a good sized text book. These formulas deal with such things as complex currents, (j operators for all you propeller head math freaks), B-H loops associated with the type of metal used in the pickup, core saturation, (of which there is not much due to the low signal levels involved in pickups), distortion, phase shift, frequency response, excitation current ( the steel parts steal current to get their magnetic molecules moving) , Q, resonance, and a litany of other factors that almost make experimentation in the lab an easier way to find the sound you are looking for.

You hear about larger pole pieces and slugs for a stronger field near the strings as to increase signal. Does that do anything to your waveform? Excitation current is non-sinusoidal. The more metal, the more excitation current in the coil which gets combined with the sine wave of the guitar signal. Does this actor affect tone? I do not know, maybe someone else has done experiments in this area but it may be something to consider.

Does the fact that the current in an inductor lags the voltage by 90 degrees make any difference to pickup winders? Not really. So don't worry about that.

Now the metal parts in the pickup increase the inductance of the pickup coil by concentrating the magnetic lines of flux generated by the moving guitar string, but not to the extent of say, a guitar amp output transformer. So what you really have is an air core inductor with a small core inside, so a lot of the math associated with a steel core inductor might not need the consideration the get when designing a transformer.

There is another part to the story of pickup inductance, and that is capacitance. A capacitor is formed by two conductors separated by an insulator. So if you lay two pieces of #42 pickup wire side by side, you will have formed a capacitor, albeit a small one. Maybe only a few pico farads for say, a 1 meter length. But there is a lot of wire in a pickup. So you develop tiny capacitors between turns, slightly larger capacitors between the layers of wire, and you will also have capacitance between the coil and metal parts that are grounded, such as the pickup covers, etc.

So there is a limit to the number of turns you can use before the sum of all this capacitance starts to rob your guitar signal, especially the high end. Capacitance Reactance (resistance to AC signals) goes down with frequency, (the opposite of inductive reactance) so the higher the guitar note you hit, the more signal you lose to stray capacitance.

Now when you add the math of coil capacitance to the math of the coil inductance, you really have a puzzle on your hands.
This is because the inductance of the coil and the capacitance of the turns will form a resonant circuit. This happens at a frequency where the inductive reactance equals the capacitive reactance. This is what causes that peak you see when pickups are swept for frequency. So you can tweak a coil to get that resonant peak where you want it by adjusting turns to vary inductance and capacitance at the same time. It is a balancing act, so to speak.

But there is more! That magnet wire has resistance. When resistance, inductive reactance, and capacitive reactance are combined, you have what is called Q. This is the ratio of the coil reactance to the DC resistance, or DCR. This Q factor will affect the shape of the resonant peak. The more DCR, the flatter the peak. So now you have another variable to play with, wire size. Smaller wire will have more ohms per mile than big wire. So the bigger the wire, the sharper the peak. But remember, we need a lot of turns to get the Henries we need for these air core inductors, so we are limited as to our wire size. You can only get so many turns of #42 on a bobbin.

DCR also affects the bass frequency response in the form of phase shift. Now I am not too sure as to the exact effect this has in pickups as I am mostly a transformer geek. But in a transformer, degrees of phase shift between the input signal on a transformer primary and the output on the secondary is computed by Arctan DCR/XL. But really all you need to know is that the more DCR, the bigger your phase shift at the lower freqs.

And one last thing. Wire Size. I see a lot of talk about wire size and pickup DCR. But what I do not see is a lot of talk about wire size and capacitance. When you use #43 instead of #42 to wind a pickup, you can get a hotter pickup because you can fit more wire on there with the smaller #43. But with more turns comes more capacitance, right? Well kind of. The amount of capacitance of a capacitor is determined by the size of the plates and the distance between them. So using a smaller wire means less capacitance due to the fact that the diameter of the copper is smaller. So by using smaller wire, you can actually decrease your high end loss due to the fact that there is less metal to short out your signal. Now you can also vary this capacitance by your winding technique. Scatter winding puts more air in the coil, that is, you have more distance between turns as you have wire crossing over each other instead of laying side by side, and thus less capacitance than a nicely layered CNC winder as you are increasing the distance between the plates of the capacitor (copper wire turns) . So now you have another variable to play with, hand wound vs machine wound. And smaller wire will lay latter than big wire, so you have another factor there as a flatter lay will mean less distance between the "plates" of your stray capacitors.

Thus, a big balancing act between variables, change one thing and you change another. And that is just the coil. Throw in the properties of different magnets and you have yourself a lifetime full of fun!
 
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Re: Can someone please explain inductance to me in simple terms?

One more naive question: if proximity of the wire to the strings is critical, wouldn't wide, shallow bobbins potentially make for an interesting barn burner of a pickup?

Jazzmaster pickups are wound like that, and I have yet to see one burn a barn.
 
Re: Can someone please explain inductance to me in simple terms?

Jazzmaster pickups are wound like that, and I have yet to see one burn a barn.

In order for a wider coil to produce more voltage, the magnetic field has to be made wider, too. If you think about it, that's what a typical humbucker is doing: you have a wider area of coil close to the strings, but you also have twelve magnetized pole pieces creating a wider magnetic field, instead of just the six.
 
Re: Can someone please explain inductance to me in simple terms?

Thanks for taking the time to write an effort post.

The formula for Inductaive Reactance is XL = 2 pi f L where 2 pi = about 6.28, f is frequency measured in Hertz, and L is the amount of inductance in Henrys.

Example Calculation: Coil: 10 Henries Frequency: 10 Hz. What is the Reactance or Resistance to the AC signal of 10 Hz?

Easy. XL (Inductive Reactance) = 6.28 * 10 Henries * 10 Hz = 6.28 * 100 = 628 Ohms.

So if you had, lets say, a 1 Volt signal at 10 Hz in series with a 10 Henry coil, the current through the coil would be 1/618 = 0.0016 Amperes. (Using Ohms Law E = IR)

So once you know your Reactance in Ohms, you can use it just like a resistor in the Ohms Law formula.

Now this is where things get interesting. Reactance, if you look at the formula, depends on frequency. So the resistance to an AC signal from the coil is non linear. It will go up as the frequency goes up.

So lets say you hit a low A note on your Les Paul. That 10 Henry coil will offer up about 6.28 * 110 Hz * 10 H = 6900 ohms of resistance. This is the resistance that the signal will be developed across in the pickup coil. Now if you play an A note an octave above your low A, you will have an XL of 6.28 * 220 Hz * 10 H = 13,800 ohms, or twice that of the reactance you had with the low A.

This means that if you hit a very high note, like an A up on the 17th fret, 880 Hz, you will be developing your guitar signal across a resistance of 6.28 * 880 Hz * 10 H = 55,000 Ohms, or 55 K Ohms if you like. This means that very little current will be lost through the coil and that as a result, most of the string energy will be transmitted to the guitar amp.

As luck would have it, your bass strings are thicker than your treble strings, so they generate more signal on the pickup when they cut across that magnetic field of the pickups, so things tend to balance out, the bass notes put out more juice than the trebles, but more of that juice will be needed by the pickup coil to give you the same voltage output as a treble string, because the Reactance of the coil is lower at bass frequencies so more current will flow through the coil. At treble frequencies, the small .010" string will not generate as much signal, but less will be lost through the coil as the reactance of the coil goes up with frequency.

So pickup makers can tweak the frequency response of the pickup by changing the inductance, or Henries of the coil. More turns means more inductance, which means less loss at the bass frequencies. Less turns will mean a brighter coil as you will lose bass energy due to the ohms of the pickup being lower due to less inductance. Note that inductance goes up with the Square of the turns. So if 100 turns = 1 Henry, 200 = 4 Henries. (2/1 = 2, then 2^2 = 4)

The effective frequencies being worked with are between 82Hz for a low E, up to around 4kHz, the resonant peak of a low wound Strat pickups when loaded by a guitar cable. Harmonics reaching up to 4kHz only exist briefly, when plucking the string. The sustained harmonics are mostly under 2kHz. There is also a practical limit of about 6kHz for guitar speakers, so 10kHz is well beyond the functional range.

The inductive reactance of the impedance doesn't begin to make that much of a difference until the frequency gets closer to 1kHz, because the guitar is connected to a high 1 meg input impedance. If you plug all the values in to a circuit modeler, you can see it works out that way.

The more prominent reason reason voltage increases with frequency is Faraday's law, E=dB/dt, or "voltage = amount of flux change in a given period of time", so in this context dB is the magnetized guitar string and dt is frequency. If dB (guitar string) is made larger, the voltage increases. If dt is made smaller (the frequency gets higher) the voltage again increases, so those are the two counterbalancing factors between, say, the high E and the low E.

But the fun does not stop there. Since there is metal inside the coil in the form of slugs and pole pieces, you have what amounts to an iron core inductor. With that comes a whole new list of formulas and mathematical models that will fill a good sized text book. These formulas deal with such things as complex currents, (j operators for all you propeller head math freaks), B-H loops associated with the type of metal used in the pickup, core saturation, (of which there is not much due to the low signal levels involved in pickups), distortion, phase shift, frequency response, excitation current ( the steel parts steal current to get their magnetic molecules moving) , Q, resonance, and a litany of other factors that almost make experimentation in the lab an easier way to find the sound you are looking for.

Of these things, there is a very noticeable effect upon the Q factor, as evidenced by the use of 250k pots in simple Fender single coils, and 500k, 1 meg and no load pots with humbuckers and pickups with steel parts. The other factors don't have much relevance in the operating range of a guitar pickup.


And one last thing. Wire Size. I see a lot of talk about wire size and pickup DCR. But what I do not see is a lot of talk about wire size and capacitance. When you use #43 instead of #42 to wind a pickup, you can get a hotter pickup because you can fit more wire on there with the smaller #43. But with more turns comes more capacitance, right? Well kind of. The amount of capacitance of a capacitor is determined by the size of the plates and the distance between them. So using a smaller wire means less capacitance due to the fact that the diameter of the copper is smaller. So by using smaller wire, you can actually decrease your high end loss due to the fact that there is less metal to short out your signal. Now you can also vary this capacitance by your winding technique. Scatter winding puts more air in the coil, that is, you have more distance between turns as you have wire crossing over each other instead of laying side by side, and thus less capacitance than a nicely layered CNC winder as you are increasing the distance between the plates of the capacitor (copper wire turns) . So now you have another variable to play with, hand wound vs machine wound. And smaller wire will lay latter than big wire, so you have another factor there as a flatter lay will mean less distance between the "plates" of your stray capacitors.

Thus, a big balancing act between variables, change one thing and you change another. And that is just the coil. Throw in the properties of different magnets and you have yourself a lifetime full of fun!

Using a smaller gauge of wire will change the overall capacitance of maybe 10 to 20pF by itself. Things like coil tension and insulation thickness can make a bigger difference, but most of these difference stay under 100pF in total. A guitar cable meanwhile will add around 500pF of parallel capacitance, which tends to wash out small capacitance differences between pickups, leaving mostly the inductance to dictate where the resonant peak end up being.
 
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here are some listings for Capacitance per meter for guitar cords from

http://www.shootoutguitarcables.com/guitar-cables-explained/capacitance-chart.html


Sommer Spirit LLX 52pF Shootout 'Black Powder' Cables!
Van Damme Silver Series Session Grade Lo-Cap 55pF
Best-Tronics CA-0446 66pF
Connectronics Rockflex 66pF
George L's .155 67pF*
George L's .225 67pF*
Hosa CGK 68pF
Klotz AC110 70pF
Mogami 3368 70pF
Gepco XB20UB 73pF
Sommer Stratos 75pF
Klotz Titanium 75pF
Sommer Classique 78pF Shootout 'Shooting Jacket' Cables!
Sommer Spirit 78pF
Sommer Corona 78pF
Cordial CGK 122 82pF
Sommer Tricone XXL 85pF Shootout 'Boot Hill' Cables!
Sommer Tricone MKII 85pF
Sommer Spirit XXL 86pF Shootout 'Gun Smoke' Cables!
Cordial CGK175 88pF
Cordial CGK Road 75 88pF
Van Damme Pro Grade XKE 90pF
Van Damme Pro Grade Classic XKE 90pF
Van Damme Silver Series Session Grade Flat-Cap 90pF
Adam Hall KIK122 95pF
Klotz AC106 95pF
Proel HPC140 105pF
Hosa Zaolla Silverline 105pF
Klotz AC104 115pF
Whirlwind Accusonic+1 115pF
Conquest Sound USA 1 115pF
Conquest Sound TL 115pF
Proel HPC110 120pF
Proel HPC130 120pF
Adam Hall 7115 122pF
Van Damme Silver Series Session Grade Hi-Cap 125pF
Sommer Colonel Incredible 130pF
Mogami 2524 130pF
Cordial CIK 122 130pF
Gotham Audio GAC-1 146pF
Belden 9778 148pF
Canare GS-4 154pF
Mogami 2319 155pF
Canare GS-6 160pF
Free The Tone CU-416 160pF
Belden 8412 190pF

and from

https://alexkenis.wordpress.com/201...b-blog-coil-shape-part-2-winding-capacitance/

can't vouch for any of these sites so use data at your own risk!

Pickup coil and bobbin only ~ 100pF
with 1010 poles ~ 120pF
with bottom magnets ~ 114pF (dropped here, or I screwed up the readings)
with foil shield ~ 195pF
with shielded wire lead ~ 206pF
with cover ~ 218pF
with potting/encapsulation ~ 253pF
 
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Good luck with your "made from scratch" project. I've also built myself a part of my gear and IME/IMHO, it's worth the effort. :-)
Thank you, but it is not a project. I finished it about two years ago. But I then cycled through about 6 different pickups in the bridge position (JBJ, Super Distortion, Super D with an A5 magnet, Carvin MS22D, '82 Ibanez V-2, Super 3, and L500XL) and was quite surprised at the differences. That got me into trying to understand pickups better.
 
Re: Can someone please explain inductance to me in simple terms?

Some of this is sailing over my head but I am enough of a nerd to follow and enjoy reading all of these posts. Thank you all for trying to bring me up to speed.
 
Re: Can someone please explain inductance to me in simple terms?

Thank you, but it is not a project. I finished it about two years ago. But I then cycled through about 6 different pickups in the bridge position (JBJ, Super Distortion, Super D with an A5 magnet, Carvin MS22D, '82 Ibanez V-2, Super 3, and L500XL) and was quite surprised at the differences. That got me into trying to understand pickups better.

In general, if you first read up on Faraday's law, and then read up on inductors and capacitors, and then read up on low pass RLC filters, then you'll know most of that there is to know about how guitar pickups work. A guitar pickup basically amounts to a low pass filter with resonance, whose coil(s) relate to the guitar string in a way that is analogous to a transformer that has very poorly coupled primary and secondary coils. So if you understand that model, you'll have a clear conception of a guitar pickup.
 
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Re: Can someone please explain inductance to me in simple terms?

what is the inductance of a typical pickup coil, with and without the pole pieces?

does the inductance of the coil change with frequency and level?
 
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Thus, a big balancing act between variables, change one thing and you change another. And that is just the coil. Throw in the properties of different magnets and you have yourself a lifetime full of fun!

Totally agreed. I often experiment a gap between theories and empirical findings due to complex interactions when I work on mag pickups (typical or not).


Thank you, but it is not a project. I finished it about two years ago. But I then cycled through about 6 different pickups in the bridge position (JBJ, Super Distortion, Super D with an A5 magnet, Carvin MS22D, '82 Ibanez V-2, Super 3, and L500XL) and was quite surprised at the differences. That got me into trying to understand pickups better.

Good luck with that...

I've at disposal thousands of measurements done on magnetic transducers since 2003 with the help of/in the name of/ by other people (scientists and/or winders; EDIT: not to mention that one of my friends, retired luthier and winder, has measured the specs of +/-10 000 transducers).

The more I dig, the less I’ve the feeling that theories and tech tests reflect something else than their own reassuring limitations (when it comes to the musical effects of guitar pickups, of course, and not generally speaking).

YMMV.


As a footnote to my first answer…

Below are the rough resonant peaks of a L500XL and a DiMarzio SD paired to a single 500k volume pot, feeding a 1M input through a same regular guitar cable. The 500k pot has lowered their respective inductances @ 200Hz to 8.49H and 6.42H.

These resonant frequencies (@ 2240Hz and 2600Hz) have been measured on one coil only in each pickup... IOW, they materialize a really simplistic and crude test; but you'll get the picture. :-)

L500XL vs DMSD.jpg

According to its higher inductance, the Bill Lawrence appears as stronger until the resonant frequency...

So it should sound louder than the DiMarzio, with less treble… if it hadn’t a different magnetic circuit. :-/


If you want more fun with magnetism in pickups, take a P90, pull off successively each of its two mags, play and listen… :-) [...or see directly here, where the importance of inductance appears as highly relative once the magnetic circuit took in account: https://forum.seymourduncan.com/sho...rowfield-mod&p=3946742&viewfull=1#post3946742 ]
 
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Cool info, Thanks!

Here is a graph we just completed of a single 5000 turn coil wound with #42 wire.

We measured inductance by attaching a signal generator to the coil and measuring the current into the coil while keeping the voltage at 300 mv while sweeping the frequency. This will give us the impedance of the coil by using a modified Ohms Law: V = I*Z
We just substitute impedance for resistance.

If we know the current thru the coil and the voltage driving that current, we can calculate inductance. Hand held meters are fine, but they normally use a fixed voltage and a fixed frequency so they only show you part if the picture as inductance changes with frequency and voltage level.

First, we rearrange the formula to get: Z = V/I , (we are simply divide AC volts by AC current)

Now we use the inductive reactance formula to get Henries, XL=2 pi f L, isolate L, so we have

L = XL/6.28 * f

but we need XL, not Z. in a perfect world, they would be the same, but we have quite a lot of DC resistance in the coil which must be corrected for, especially at the low frequencies where XL and DCR are almost the same value.

Can we simply subtract DCR from Z to get our XL component?

No. Since the current and voltage are out of phase in an inductor by 90 degrees, we have to do some vector algebra to extrapolate the XL component. It is actually pretty easy, just use the formula for a right triangle, A^2 + B^2 = C^2.

C is impedance, A can be Reactance, and B can be DC Resistance, so A^2 = C^2 - B^2,

so we are squaring impedance derived from Ohms Law above and subtracting the DCR (squared also) of the coil, which in this case is 3,970 Ohms.

As an example we might have an impedance of 4,000 ohms and the DCR of 3,970, so

XL^2 = 4000^2 - 3970^2 = 239,100 take the root and we have 488. So our XL -Inductive Reactance corrected or the DCR is 488 Ohms.

Now we plug 488 into the reactance formula, lets say we took the measurement at 100 Hz, then

488 = 6.28 * 100 * L (Henries) so L = 488/ 6.28 * 100 Hz = 488/638 = 0.77 Henries.

anyway, here is the graph. You can see that adding the pole pieces adds inductance to the coil, even though the steel does not completely circle the coil as it does in a transformer core. The screws still pull in a little magnetic flux (B field) into the coil. If this 5000 turn coil were wound on a regular steel core, the inductance would go up dramatically as you would have a closed path for the B field. (Line Integral)

Notice the bump in the bass region. This is because copper wire is not perfect, it contains enough ferrous material so as to act as its own core. However, these ferrous particles do not get excited much at the higher frequencies as the flux density is very low due to the 5000 turns. (Bmax = 100,000,000 E / 4.44 N f A^cm^2 where E is volts, N is turns, and A is the core cross sectional area in centimeters squared)

OK so here is the graph. After leaving the bass region, the inductance is pretty linear compared to a steel core inductor as air forms a very linear core due to the lack of Hysterisis and Eddy Currents which is a problem with steel cores.

Note that we average about 1 Henry with the single coil. After we hook up the coil to its twin brother (this is a Humbucker pickup) then we should have about 4 Henries because L = turns squared. Instinct thinks it would double, as the turns double, but there is some weirdness going on in the world of coils.

Single Coil Inductance.png
 
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Re: Can someone please explain inductance to me in simple terms?

what is the inductance of a typical pickup coil, with and without the pole pieces?

does the inductance of the coil change with frequency and level?


As cjenrick plot shows, when you add the steel cores, the apparent inductance drops with frequency. As a practical matter, LCR meters have some fixed test frequencies for measuring inductance, which are typically like 100Hz, 120Hz, 1kHz and 10Khz, or more or less depending on the meter. If you want to survey the inductance of your pickups, you can buy an LCR meter like the DE-5000 that has a selectable test frequency and equivalent circuit modes. Since the eddy currents are very high in the steel pole pieces and screws of pickups that use those materials, the lower test frequencies are more representative of the true inductance of the pickup, so with the DE-5000 I'd select 100Hz or 120Hz, the lower settings, as any frequency above that will read lower due to eddy current resistance. The equivalent circuit should be set to "series" or "SER" on the LCR meter, which is telling the LCR meter that the component, the guitar pickup, as a significant series resistance, and so to take that into account into the calculation of the inductance.

Some manufactures have listed inductance values, such as Fender, Tonerider, TV Jones and Lollar used to. Industry convention seems to be to use an Extech 380193 in SER mode to get a measurement, and most of the values Ive seen published conform to expected measurements, with some occasional errors being possible, since they pickup manufacturers don't specify how they derived the inductance value (though I guess we should be grateful when they provide any specs at all). The DE-5000 will work as well as the Extech, and costs about half as much.

Most Strat pickups will show you values between 2H and 3H. Most humbuckers range from 6H to 8H, with various outliers, such as a Filter'tron, an exceptionally bright humbucker, has an inductance of only 2H, or on the other end, a "hot" wound humbucker can have an inductance of 10H or higher.

The pole pieces increase the inductance because they are permeable, they support the formation of a magnetic field. A big thing to be aware of is that the AlNiCo pole pieces in Fender style pickups are very different from the steel pole pieces used in humbuckers and ceramic single coils. AlNiCo has a very low permeability compared to steel or iron, as well as a low resistivity, and so AlNiCo pole pieces are functionally somewhere in between a steel core, and an air core. If you measure the inductance of a Strat pickup at 100Hz and 1kHz, you will get almost the same inductance measure, because there are very little eddy current losses, but if you measure the same pickup with steel poles, the higher eddy current resistance will give you a low reading at 1kHz. And it should go without saying at a measurement at 10kHz would be 100% in error.
 
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We did some inductance tests on a freshly wound humbucker, trying for the Pearly Gates DCR, which is 8.3 K bridge IIRC.

Ended up with 5146 T on the slug coil and 5200 T on the screw coil, both #42 AWG.

Had to use a little tension to get all that wire on there, as we had the traverse running at about 35 turns per layer which means a lot of space between turns. RDH4 says we can squeeze 378 turns of #42 per inch in a perfectly wound layer, so for a 5/16" bobbin we can get .3125 x 378 = 118 turns per layer and we were well under that.

We got about 4 Henries at 1000 Hz, but tons of Henries at 10 Hz, no wonder those whammy bar dive bombs sound so cool!

At around 40 Hz the pole pieces start to lose permeability and we approach an air core inductor.

Resonant frequency came out to about 9.5 K Hz so we over shot the PG mark which is close to 8 K Hz. We could probably get down there by increasing tension or increasing turns per inch to pick up some capacitance.

At 8 K Hz, inductive reactance going to be about 2 Henries x 6.28 x 8000 Hz = 100 K Hz , so to achieve resonance we need about 200 pf of winding capacitance.

So if 9.5 K Hz = 120 K of reactance, we need about 165 pf, so we need to add 200 - 165 = 35 pf of capacitance to bring the rez freq down.

There is another way to bring down the rez freq, pot the pickup in wax. This would change the dialectic constant of the space between turns and thus change capacitance. Problem is, what kind to wax to use? Can not get the good stuff anymore, (polycrystalline wax) so good ol parafin is probably the only choice.

Anywho, here is the inductance vs freq graph at 250 mv induced>PG Bucker.jpg
 
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my friend Doc Hoyer sent me a piece of old school wax, Doc winds coils for MacIntosh and Marantz up in Wisconsin.

all of your old classic vintage audio transformers used this stuff.

here is what it looks like, it has a higher meting point so you might have to use fiber bobbins instead of plastic (warpage)>

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Re: Can someone please explain inductance to me in simple terms?

another way to tweak response, use tape. this is a trick we picked up from a Telefunken V72 preamp from the 50s. the plate chokes have 21,000 turns, this causes excess capacitance, so they use a three chamber bobbin and tape between a certain amount of turns.

Capacitance decreases as the square of the number of dialectics. So if you break up your coil with three chunks of tape, you have 3^2 = 9 so you have 1/9 th the capacitance!
Very effective.


When winding a pickup, use a layer or two of polyester tape. Do this every 1000 turns.

This does two things: it changes the capacitance of the coil by breaking up the symmetry. This cuts down on layer to layer capacitance.

and it does one more thing: it keeps the turns tight so you can avoid the squealing problem without using wax,
so you do no need a crock pot full of parafin and the lack of wax also improves response.

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Re: Can someone please explain inductance to me in simple terms?

Inductance can not be explained in simple terms other than to say that it is "That property that opposes a change in current."

The amount of opposition to an AC signal through a coil is called Inductive Reactance. It is measured in Ohms, just like a resistor.

If you wind a bunch of turns of wire around a steel core, the current thru the wire will generate a magnetic field. According to Lenzs Law, the polarity of that field will be orientated in such a way as to push back against the voltage that is generating it. The voltage finally wins, but that opposing mag field keeps current from flowing thru the inductor until the voltage is at a max and the mag field is no longer increasing, and therefore no longer opposing a change in current. When the mag field begins to collapse from a decending voltage, it does so in a way that increases current thru the coil. It induces a voltage into the winding that causes the flow of current. So when the voltage is rising, the inductance keeps the current from rising with it. And when the voltage is going down, the inductance keeps the current from dropping. The net effect is that the current will be smoothed out. This is what a smoothing choke does inn a power supply.

The formula for Inductaive Reactance is XL = 2 pi f L where 2 pi = about 6.28, f is frequency measured in Hertz, and L is the amount of inductance in Henrys.

Example Calculation: Coil: 10 Henries Frequency: 10 Hz. What is the Reactance or Resistance to the AC signal of 10 Hz?

Easy. XL (Inductive Reactance) = 6.28 * 10 Henries * 10 Hz = 6.28 * 100 = 628 Ohms.

So if you had, lets say, a 1 Volt signal at 10 Hz in series with a 10 Henry coil, the current through the coil would be 1/618 = 0.0016 Amperes. (Using Ohms Law E = IR)

So once you know your Reactance in Ohms, you can use it just like a resistor in the Ohms Law formula.

Now this is where things get interesting. Reactance, if you look at the formula, depends on frequency. So the resistance to an AC signal from the coil is non linear. It will go up as the frequency goes up.

So lets say you hit a low A note on your Les Paul. That 10 Henry coil will offer up about 6.28 * 110 Hz * 10 H = 6900 ohms of resistance. This is the resistance that the signal will be developed across in the pickup coil. Now if you play an A note an octave above your low A, you will have an XL of 6.28 * 220 Hz * 10 H = 13,800 ohms, or twice that of the reactance you had with the low A.

This means that if you hit a very high note, like an A up on the 17th fret, 880 Hz, you will be developing your guitar signal across a resistance of 6.28 * 880 Hz * 10 H = 55,000 Ohms, or 55 K Ohms if you like. This means that very little current will be lost through the coil and that as a result, most of the string energy will be transmitted to the guitar amp.

As luck would have it, your bass strings are thicker than your treble strings, so they generate more signal on the pickup when they cut across that magnetic field of the pickups, so things tend to balance out, the bass notes put out more juice than the trebles, but more of that juice will be needed by the pickup coil to give you the same voltage output as a treble string, because the Reactance of the coil is lower at bass frequencies so more current will flow through the coil. At treble frequencies, the small .010" string will not generate as much signal, but less will be lost through the coil as the reactance of the coil goes up with frequency.

So pickup makers can tweak the frequency response of the pickup by changing the inductance, or Henries of the coil. More turns means more inductance, which means less loss at the bass frequencies. Less turns will mean a brighter coil as you will lose bass energy due to the ohms of the pickup being lower due to less inductance. Note that inductance goes up with the Square of the turns. So if 100 turns = 1 Henry, 200 = 4 Henries. (2/1 = 2, then 2^2 = 4)

But the fun does not stop there. Since there is metal inside the coil in the form of slugs and pole pieces, you have what amounts to an iron core inductor. With that comes a whole new list of formulas and mathematical models that will fill a good sized text book. These formulas deal with such things as complex currents, (j operators for all you propeller head math freaks), B-H loops associated with the type of metal used in the pickup, core saturation, (of which there is not much due to the low signal levels involved in pickups), distortion, phase shift, frequency response, excitation current ( the steel parts steal current to get their magnetic molecules moving) , Q, resonance, and a litany of other factors that almost make experimentation in the lab an easier way to find the sound you are looking for.

You hear about larger pole pieces and slugs for a stronger field near the strings as to increase signal. Does that do anything to your waveform? Excitation current is non-sinusoidal. The more metal, the more excitation current in the coil which gets combined with the sine wave of the guitar signal. Does this actor affect tone? I do not know, maybe someone else has done experiments in this area but it may be something to consider.

Does the fact that the current in an inductor lags the voltage by 90 degrees make any difference to pickup winders? Not really. So don't worry about that.

Now the metal parts in the pickup increase the inductance of the pickup coil by concentrating the magnetic lines of flux generated by the moving guitar string, but not to the extent of say, a guitar amp output transformer. So what you really have is an air core inductor with a small core inside, so a lot of the math associated with a steel core inductor might not need the consideration the get when designing a transformer.

There is another part to the story of pickup inductance, and that is capacitance. A capacitor is formed by two conductors separated by an insulator. So if you lay two pieces of #42 pickup wire side by side, you will have formed a capacitor, albeit a small one. Maybe only a few pico farads for say, a 1 meter length. But there is a lot of wire in a pickup. So you develop tiny capacitors between turns, slightly larger capacitors between the layers of wire, and you will also have capacitance between the coil and metal parts that are grounded, such as the pickup covers, etc.

So there is a limit to the number of turns you can use before the sum of all this capacitance starts to rob your guitar signal, especially the high end. Capacitance Reactance (resistance to AC signals) goes down with frequency, (the opposite of inductive reactance) so the higher the guitar note you hit, the more signal you lose to stray capacitance.

Now when you add the math of coil capacitance to the math of the coil inductance, you really have a puzzle on your hands.
This is because the inductance of the coil and the capacitance of the turns will form a resonant circuit. This happens at a frequency where the inductive reactance equals the capacitive reactance. This is what causes that peak you see when pickups are swept for frequency. So you can tweak a coil to get that resonant peak where you want it by adjusting turns to vary inductance and capacitance at the same time. It is a balancing act, so to speak.

But there is more! That magnet wire has resistance. When resistance, inductive reactance, and capacitive reactance are combined, you have what is called Q. This is the ratio of the coil reactance to the DC resistance, or DCR. This Q factor will affect the shape of the resonant peak. The more DCR, the flatter the peak. So now you have another variable to play with, wire size. Smaller wire will have more ohms per mile than big wire. So the bigger the wire, the sharper the peak. But remember, we need a lot of turns to get the Henries we need for these air core inductors, so we are limited as to our wire size. You can only get so many turns of #42 on a bobbin.

DCR also affects the bass frequency response in the form of phase shift. Now I am not too sure as to the exact effect this has in pickups as I am mostly a transformer geek. But in a transformer, degrees of phase shift between the input signal on a transformer primary and the output on the secondary is computed by Arctan DCR/XL. But really all you need to know is that the more DCR, the bigger your phase shift at the lower freqs.

And one last thing. Wire Size. I see a lot of talk about wire size and pickup DCR. But what I do not see is a lot of talk about wire size and capacitance. When you use #43 instead of #42 to wind a pickup, you can get a hotter pickup because you can fit more wire on there with the smaller #43. But with more turns comes more capacitance, right? Well kind of. The amount of capacitance of a capacitor is determined by the size of the plates and the distance between them. So using a smaller wire means less capacitance due to the fact that the diameter of the copper is smaller. So by using smaller wire, you can actually decrease your high end loss due to the fact that there is less metal to short out your signal. Now you can also vary this capacitance by your winding technique. Scatter winding puts more air in the coil, that is, you have more distance between turns as you have wire crossing over each other instead of laying side by side, and thus less capacitance than a nicely layered CNC winder as you are increasing the distance between the plates of the capacitor (copper wire turns) . So now you have another variable to play with, hand wound vs machine wound. And smaller wire will lay latter than big wire, so you have another factor there as a flatter lay will mean less distance between the "plates" of your stray capacitors.

Thus, a big balancing act between variables, change one thing and you change another. And that is just the coil. Throw in the properties of different magnets and you have yourself a lifetime full of fun!
Wow, this post should be pinned and you should write a pup theory primer! I'm good with theory but bad with math and I think I understood your post. Very helpful.

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Re: Can someone please explain inductance to me in simple terms?

Wow, this post should be pinned and you should write a pup theory primer! I'm good with theory but bad with math and I think I understood your post. Very helpful.

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I'm not saying it's wrong, but I'd think you'd want to have the information vetted a little before suggesting it be pinned.
 
Re: Can someone please explain inductance to me in simple terms?

We did some inductance tests on a freshly wound humbucker, trying for the Pearly Gates DCR, which is 8.3 K bridge IIRC.

Ended up with 5146 T on the slug coil and 5200 T on the screw coil, both #42 AWG.

Had to use a little tension to get all that wire on there, as we had the traverse running at about 35 turns per layer which means a lot of space between turns. RDH4 says we can squeeze 378 turns of #42 per inch in a perfectly wound layer, so for a 5/16" bobbin we can get .3125 x 378 = 118 turns per layer and we were well under that.

We got about 4 Henries at 1000 Hz, but tons of Henries at 10 Hz, no wonder those whammy bar dive bombs sound so cool!

At around 40 Hz the pole pieces start to lose permeability and we approach an air core inductor.

Resonant frequency came out to about 9.5 K Hz so we over shot the PG mark which is close to 8 K Hz. We could probably get down there by increasing tension or increasing turns per inch to pick up some capacitance.

At 8 K Hz, inductive reactance going to be about 2 Henries x 6.28 x 8000 Hz = 100 K Hz , so to achieve resonance we need about 200 pf of winding capacitance.

So if 9.5 K Hz = 120 K of reactance, we need about 165 pf, so we need to add 200 - 165 = 35 pf of capacitance to bring the rez freq down.

There is another way to bring down the rez freq, pot the pickup in wax. This would change the dialectic constant of the space between turns and thus change capacitance. Problem is, what kind to wax to use? Can not get the good stuff anymore, (polycrystalline wax) so good ol parafin is probably the only choice.

Anywho, here is the inductance vs freq graph at 250 mv induced>View attachment 88480


This is supposedly the response curve of an Eminence speaker:

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You can see it falls off pretty hard at 100Hz and around 4kHz, which is good, it keeps the bass from being muddy and the treble from being shrill. You can see though that 10Hz is off the chart entirely.

The capacitance of a coil with about 8,000 turns is around 100pF, more or less depending on insulation thickness, air gap, dielectric constant, etc. If a person wants more capacitance across a coil, they could just use an actual cap, so I think the more worthwhile challenge is the reduce capacitance as much as possible. The guitar cable will add anywhere from 300pF to 600pF, depending on the length and quality, so the capacitance of the pickup itself only matters up to a point.
 
Re: Can someone please explain inductance to me in simple terms?

another way to tweak response, use tape. this is a trick we picked up from a Telefunken V72 preamp from the 50s. the plate chokes have 21,000 turns, this causes excess capacitance, so they use a three chamber bobbin and tape between a certain amount of turns.

Capacitance decreases as the square of the number of dialectics. So if you break up your coil with three chunks of tape, you have 3^2 = 9 so you have 1/9 th the capacitance!
Very effective.


When winding a pickup, use a layer or two of polyester tape. Do this every 1000 turns.

This does two things: it changes the capacitance of the coil by breaking up the symmetry. This cuts down on layer to layer capacitance.

and it does one more thing: it keeps the turns tight so you can avoid the squealing problem without using wax,
so you do no need a crock pot full of parafin and the lack of wax also improves response.

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There's no way putting a thin ribbon of tape between layers would reduce the capacitance to 1/9th. As I'm sure you know the equation for capacitance is

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so if d is small, C is large. A thin piece of tape will cause d to remain small.

With a split coil, say, a P-Bass humbucking pickup, you essentially have one coil broken into two parts. In that case the capacitance is very low, around 25pF, but in order to realize that low capacitance you have to literally have the coil broken into smaller coils that are physically far apart, and then connected in series.
 
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There's no way putting a thin ribbon of tape between layers would reduce the capacitance to 1/9th.

My understanding is thickness is not what matters but the dielectric properties of the layer.

I have a set of V72 transformers being rewound as we write, and my technicians description conforms to what cjenrick posted, FWIW
 
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