Can you "stiffen" a floating Floyd Rose without a Tremsetter?

[Sirion]

Re: Can you "stiffen" a floating Floyd Rose without a Tremsetter?

I used to go with 2 springs sometimes. Really fun for flutters and quick movement since the trem unit would be very light.

I do this too. It wears out the springs faster, but it makes the tremolo bar incredibly responsive. If you are looking for subtle effects a more conventional 3-spring (or more) set up is probably going to be better though.

 

[Mincer]

Re: Can you "stiffen" a floating Floyd Rose without a Tremsetter?

I never looked into it, so for those that know...
what is the point of /|\ vs |||? I've heard from some that it makes no difference, and some that one is higher tension than another (with different views on each). Anyone who has done actual tests?

 

[The JEM Ghost]

Re: Can you "stiffen" a floating Floyd Rose without a Tremsetter?

I never looked into it, so for those that know...
what is the point of /|\ vs |||? I've heard from some that it makes no difference, and some that one is higher tension than another (with different views on each). Anyone who has done actual tests?

I agree that the /|\ method creates more tension, is stiffer then the ||| method. (when using the same springs). Just as Ehdwuld, I have changed the factory setting (|||) to the /|\ setting to make it slightly stiffer without adding springs or using stronger ones. Sure does make a difference in my opinion. Kind of makes sense too, because in the /|\ method there is more tension on 2 of the 3 springs.

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: Can you "stiffen" a floating Floyd Rose without a Tremsetter?

I couldnt get my Edge iii to stay put
when i changed the springs it holds tune like a rock now

I can feel a difference myself

but I can also shake the guitar and warble the trem as well
I think its cool that way

i do get some spring noise from this one
like a light chorus at the end of notes

 

[Mincer]

Re: Can you "stiffen" a floating Floyd Rose without a Tremsetter?

I agree that the /|\ method creates more tension, is stiffer then the ||| method. (when using the same springs). Just as Ehdwuld, I have changed the factory setting (|||) to the /|\ setting to make it slightly stiffer without adding springs or using stronger ones. Sure does make a difference in my opinion. Kind of makes sense too, because in the /|\ method there is more tension on 2 of the 3 springs.

Thanks for this. What is the physics behind /|\ having more tension with the same springs? Anyone know? I would think that the pull isn't as balanced across the strings.

 

[The JEM Ghost]

Re: Can you "stiffen" a floating Floyd Rose without a Tremsetter?

Thanks for this. What is the physics behind /|\ having more tension with the same springs? Anyone know? I would think that the pull isn't as balanced across the strings.

I am far from a scientist but I'll give it a go and give my thought on it :biglaugh:
The /|\ method creates more tension on the outer 2 springs compared to the ||| method, because the distance to the claws increases slightly in the /|\ method compared to the regular method, therefore making it slightly stiffer with more tension applied to the tremblock. The pull stays balanced in my opinion, because you still create pull at the same places of the tremblock (you are using the same holes in it to attach the springs to the tremblock). It is however a fact that the middle spring is creating slightly less pull than the outer 2, but I guess an unbalanced feel only occurs when you would only put 1 of the outer springs out of line, as in ||\ or /||, and as long as the 2 outer springs are put in the same way(thus creating the same amount of pull on the outsides of the tremblock), no balance problems occur. Again, I am not a scientist at all, and I am just putting out my experience and thoughts on this issue!! And forgive me if things may have not been explained correctly or too clearly, but English isn't my native language! :fing2:

 

[Adieu]

Re: Can you "stiffen" a floating Floyd Rose without a Tremsetter?

I never looked into it, so for those that know...
what is the point of /|\ vs |||? I've heard from some that it makes no difference, and some that one is higher tension than another (with different views on each). Anyone who has done actual tests?

Pythagoras says: A^2 + B^2 = C^2

 

[Mincer]

Re: Can you "stiffen" a floating Floyd Rose without a Tremsetter?

Thank you for the explanation. I seemed to have all ||| on all of mine. It balances well, and I love the feel. My current favorite trem is the Bladerunner.

 

[6stringerguy]

Re: Can you "stiffen" a floating Floyd Rose without a Tremsetter?

More springs = more mass. So 1 spring pulling the same than 5 springs will feel more bland.

Get the stiffest springs you can, and put all 5 in there.

I did this on my schecter in drop c with 12-60 and man it was stiff, now using 10-60 in C# with 3 springs and it's much nicer to do flutters and dives with


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[dave74]

Re: Can you "stiffen" a floating Floyd Rose without a Tremsetter?

||| vs /|\

Sometimes (with certain gauge/tuning-setups) it's either go to /|\ or you'd have to crank the claw-screws all the way in with ||| or have them nearly on their last thread almost coming out with ||||.
So /|\ is just a way to get more tension (for larger gauges and/or tighter-feeling strings) while still having the claw-screws adjusted somewhere in their middle area.

 

[Adieu]

Re: Can you "stiffen" a floating Floyd Rose without a Tremsetter?

I did this on my schecter in drop c with 12-60 and man it was stiff, now using 10-60 in C# with 3 springs and it's much nicer to do flutters and dives with


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Playing a string set that goes to 60 but STILL starts at 10.... smh...

Man up, use 11's for standard tunings and 12's for lower ones!!!

 

[6stringerguy]

Can you "stiffen" a floating Floyd Rose without a Tremsetter?

Can you "stiffen" a floating Floyd Rose without a Tremsetter?

Playing a string set that goes to 60 but STILL starts at 10.... smh...

Man up, use 11's for standard tunings and 12's for lower ones!!!

The only reason I use the 60 is to be able to play chug on it while the lighter strings just feel nice to play but not like spaghetti
Use tens for everything down to C standard and use 12s below with a thicker low string


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[toowrongfoo]

Re: Can you "stiffen" a floating Floyd Rose without a Tremsetter?

Cool, I'll try more springs.

What about those "heavy duty" Floyd springs?

I had those. They are ok and were less noisy, but I ended up going back to regular springs.

Doing a V helps make stiffer too.