I have a question I'm not happy with the c22 keisel pick ups I have I'm looking for the custom wound Jimmy page humbuckers he had in his gibson 12 string were those stock 490 t and 490r alnico or were they custom I need a 4 wire connector as this guitar has active /passive controls as well as phase switch what would be a close match to the custom page gibson 12 string pick ups or does anyone have any other ideas thanks much
Carvin dc127-12 pick up change
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I have a question I'm not happy with the c22 keisel pick ups I have I'm looking for the custom wound Jimmy page humbuckers he had in his gibson 12 string were those stock 490 t and 490r alnico or were they custom I need a 4 wire connector as this guitar has active /passive controls as well as phase switch what would be a close match to the custom page gibson 12 string pick ups or does anyone have any other ideas thanks much
Re: Carvin dc127-12 pick up change
I just dont like the sound very tinny I've tryed every combo with the controls .raised and lowered pick ups even adjusted the pot on the circuit board .I really like pages sound on his gibson 12 I've seen vidio of the current gibson 12 with pages specs and it sounds great these pick ups are c22 keisels old version now they recommended berrylliums wich are vintage style alnicos also was considering bare knuckle blue monday also vintage style alnicos both around 7-8 ohm .just looking for a similar sound as page has with his gibson 12 sounded great even with distortion so I figured I fo that way .and thanks for the reply
I just dont like the sound very tinny I've tryed every combo with the controls .raised and lowered pick ups even adjusted the pot on the circuit board .I really like pages sound on his gibson 12 I've seen vidio of the current gibson 12 with pages specs and it sounds great these pick ups are c22 keisels old version now they recommended berrylliums wich are vintage style alnicos also was considering bare knuckle blue monday also vintage style alnicos both around 7-8 ohm .just looking for a similar sound as page has with his gibson 12 sounded great even with distortion so I figured I fo that way .and thanks for the reply
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Re: Carvin dc127-12 pick up change
Yes you will need 4 wire for sure with the active module.Albert over at Keisel sent me a comparison chart on wire colors from Kiesel/Carvins to Duncans but I have something that I'm confused on. I'm dropping a Perpetual Burn and Sentient neck into my 2002 DC 400 with the actives. Have you pulled the back cover and taken a look yet? It will solder into a PC board but the color codes won't directly cross.
I have done it years ago with Dimarzios but it's been a long time. Suggest you ether hit Kiesel or let me get mine in and get back to you on the color codes if you go with Duncans.
PS have to wonder if the Duncan Whole Lotta set would get you close on the tones?
https://www.seymourduncan.com/pickup/whole-lotta-humbucker-set?__uuid_ref=5c85996a63c6a
Yes you will need 4 wire for sure with the active module.Albert over at Keisel sent me a comparison chart on wire colors from Kiesel/Carvins to Duncans but I have something that I'm confused on. I'm dropping a Perpetual Burn and Sentient neck into my 2002 DC 400 with the actives. Have you pulled the back cover and taken a look yet? It will solder into a PC board but the color codes won't directly cross.
I have done it years ago with Dimarzios but it's been a long time. Suggest you ether hit Kiesel or let me get mine in and get back to you on the color codes if you go with Duncans.
PS have to wonder if the Duncan Whole Lotta set would get you close on the tones?
https://www.seymourduncan.com/pickup/whole-lotta-humbucker-set?__uuid_ref=5c85996a63c6a
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Re: Carvin dc127-12 pick up change
Thanks mincer I appreciate all your help .I've decided to go with bare knuckle stormy Monday pick ups does anyone have a color wire chart for the carvin as I think bk are diff colors and do you think the poles will make a diff since most have 6 and mine have like 11 will it make much diff
Thanks mincer I appreciate all your help .I've decided to go with bare knuckle stormy Monday pick ups does anyone have a color wire chart for the carvin as I think bk are diff colors and do you think the poles will make a diff since most have 6 and mine have like 11 will it make much diff
Ascension
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Re: Carvin dc127-12 pick up change
On the polls yes the Carvin M22/ C22's respond a little differently and very close to the Duncan PATB it's not a problem it's just different. What will be critical is getting that color code right into the PC on your active module so the split and phase works right.
Had a little experience with them.
Mine now had a BUNCH more over the years.
Should get this one done with the active module soon as I get over this blasted sinus infection I'm fighting.
Have the Chart that Albert head guitar tech at Kiesel/ Carvin sent me on Carvin vs Duncan some where will hunt it down and post it.
On the polls yes the Carvin M22/ C22's respond a little differently and very close to the Duncan PATB it's not a problem it's just different. What will be critical is getting that color code right into the PC on your active module so the split and phase works right.
Had a little experience with them.
Mine now had a BUNCH more over the years.
Should get this one done with the active module soon as I get over this blasted sinus infection I'm fighting.
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Ascension
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Re: Carvin dc127-12 pick up change
Here is your north south start stop codes for the Carvin pickups vs Duncans
Carvin North Red-start White stop Duncan Black start White stop South is Carvin Green start Black Stop Duncan Green start Red Stop. Hope this helps. At the least you can look at the codes into the PC board and how Carvin wired those into the PC board then run the 4 conductor codes for what ever you get and match them.
Here is your north south start stop codes for the Carvin pickups vs Duncans
Carvin North Red-start White stop Duncan Black start White stop South is Carvin Green start Black Stop Duncan Green start Red Stop. Hope this helps. At the least you can look at the codes into the PC board and how Carvin wired those into the PC board then run the 4 conductor codes for what ever you get and match them.
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