Re: Celestian Vs. Eminance
Lewguitar said:
I've used Celestions since about 1970...but I won't buy a new Celestion that's made in CHINA, a country with one of the worst human rights records on the planet and which has done all within it's power to destroy the Tibetan people and thier culture.
Lew
Hey Lew with the fullest respect I don't agree with putting ideology in the pot here. I do mean all hostilities that China committed against Tibet and even their own people are unacceptable and evil - but every and each countries had, have and will have its huuuge black spots. On this base, everyone can say "I refuse to buy XYZ products from XYZ countries who were governed by a nazi regime, were slaveholders, dropped nuclear bombs on civilians, gathered material wealth in the name of God while defending their position and power for over a millenium, used and developed and mass-produced bio&chem wmd, massacred their own people in the communist terror, pirated on the seas or exterminated whole civilizations or burned down Karthago or took my toy when I was 3 etc" At the end, surely, you won't find anyone on the list of a non-evil past, present or future :dunno:
I have doubts with Chinese products, too, but not because of ideological issues but quality: I have seen more poor things coming from there. On the other side of the coin I can see a vast improvement of quality control of licensed products in the last decade. Yet, not perfect but improving. I choose a product if it's good and don't if it's not. If Fakenuba Furamuki corporation makes my fav voiced speakers in the future I will use Fakenuba manufactured speakers. Okay it is a great thing to support your own country to buy its own products but the majority of the far Eastern profit of licensed products there goes for the Western pockets. Probably them Western-based companies deploy foreign facilities NOT because they can make less money this way or they want to support other countries economy. If you buy Epiphone you support US in the first place and the manufacturing country in a smaller portion.
back to the track: I was grown up on listening to and playing through them British cabs so I will always find them better sounding than anything else. I noticed that generally Jensens have better clean response and Eminences have more articulate lows but I always missed something badly any time I played through them, no matters how good the others were. If you hear classic or modern dirty guitar tones with mid + hi-mid edge it's most probably some kind of Celestion. I'm gettin' to know them by flavour and smell since I had lots of options in the studio but I don't have that experience with Eminences. For me, generally the most significant difference between Celestions and the Eminences I played is the way Celestions handle the mids you throw at them. It always keep your tone defined. Eminences I played generally do the same refinement with lows. Same with wheight: the Eminences I tested were heavy as hell.
new-old speaker difference: I noticed recently that it can be misleading if you compare a new speaker with a worn one of its own type. In my experience, a new speaker doesn't sound that really nice unless abused for a while. My old G12T75 cab began to sound good after 5-6 months of kicking hard. I have been using this little one for over a decade and year after year it sounds better. Recently I had the opportunity to A/B test it with a new, similar 1x12 T75 cab and it sounded different. I noticed the same with newer 4x12 Greenback cabs (one said "JCM800" on the cornerplate and re-loaded with Greens in the early '90s as said, most surely it's not them Chinese-made speakers) I was offered to play in a couple of gigs recently: my one is from the '70s and still has a better sound. I concluded that in the case of speakers, being badly worn, raped & torn might be a positive disadvantage.
