Celestion vintage 30 or greenback

marty_the_westie

marty_the_westie

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Which of these 2 speakers is a better choice for a real classic rock, 70's rock, 80's metal tone. I've heard good things about both. I wanna put one in my Peavey Vypyr 30.
 
Re: Celestion vintage 30 or greenback

Of those choices:
Classic rock/blues: Greenback.
80's metal: V30.
Get an empty 212 and add both: Priceless!
:)

MM
 
Re: Celestion vintage 30 or greenback

You can't combine them in a 2x12; they have different efficiencies and the V30 will be louder than the greenback.

The real answer lies first in: what is the wattage of your amplifier?
 
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marty_the_westie said:
Which of these 2 speakers is a better choice for a real classic rock, 70's rock, 80's metal tone. I've heard good things about both.
I wanna put one in my Peavey Vypyr 30.
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TwilightOdyssey said:
You can't combine them in a 2x12; they have different efficiencies and the V30 will be louder than the greenback.

The real answer lies first in: what is the wattage of your amplifier?
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I think it is safe to say he has a Solid State Modelling unit of 30watts :naughty:
 
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marty_the_westie said:
Which of these 2 speakers is a better choice for a real classic rock, 70's rock, 80's metal tone. I've heard good things about both.
I wanna put one in my Peavey Vypyr 30.
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This 100% a personal thing :

. . . i will always go with the allmighty GreenBacks.
Saying that, the Greenbacks have a 20W, 25W & 30W rating, so the 20 & 25watt models are out of the running allready. (unless you have a 2X12 combo)


http://professional.celestion.com/guitar/products/heritage/detail.asp?ID=6 - 20W

http://professional.celestion.com/guitar/products/classic/detail.asp?ID=6 - 25W

http://professional.celestion.com/guitar/products/heritage/detail.asp?ID=7 - 30W



peavey-vypyr-30-mini-stack-guitar-amp.jpg




Good Luck
 
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Re: Celestion vintage 30 or greenback

the last one isnt really what people call a greenback, even though it has a green back.

a 'greenback' is a g12m, the g12h is a much different speaker. good but nothing like a greenback
 
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But the G12H30 is a great speaker for any and all classic rock (it does Jimi and it does Jimmy), and being able to additionally handle 80's metal anyway. The G12M25's won't handle 80s metal in an open back cab situation as good as the G12H30. I'd probably go with the regular G12H30 versions rather than the more expensive Heritage version from the link.
 
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Since the amp comes with "One 12" custom voiced modeling speaker" my money is on anything sounding better! I normally go for Greenbacks but wattage could be a concern. A Vintage 30 might not be a bad choice, once it's good and broke in it should sound stellar. A beam blocker might do it some good too.......
 
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Sorry, didn't see the bit about your amp.

If you are using a modeling amp, I would say: get a loudspeaker with a really clean midrange; you don't want midrange colourations to affect the sound of the models.

I don't know if Emminence makes a 12" version of the Ragin' Cajun, but that loudspeaker has a very flat midrange ...
 
Re: Celestion vintage 30 or greenback

I strongly suggest looking at the WGS Celestion variants.
http://wgs4.com/catalog/british-invasion

The Veteran 30 will sound less harsh than a new Cel V30. Almost half the price too.
The Reaper 30 or 50 is also a great choice, which is the Cel G12H30 type variant.
Or look at the British Lead 80 for a more neutral/flat voicing that won't color your amps modeling tones.
 
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jeremy said:
the last one isnt really what people call a greenback, even though it has a green back.

a 'greenback' is a g12m, the g12h is a much different speaker. good but nothing like a greenback
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That is what i heard too . . .
 
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TwilightOdyssey said:
You can't combine them in a 2x12; they have different efficiencies and the V30 will be louder than the greenback.
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Actually, you can. I've done it.

And the G12H30/V30 is an even better combination.
I've got that as well.

And to the OP:
But yes, start with a better amp

MM
 
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yes i know im gonna sound like a killjoy....but you dont need a new speaker for a great classic rock tone...you need a tube amp.
DOnt waste your money on a speaker like that for the amp you have..modellers are designed to work best with hifi sounding speakers and they get their charachter from the digital algorithms within the amp. Thats how they are so flexible. if you use a coloured speaker like either of the two you mentioned then you will lose a lot of what makes modelling amps useful.
If you have reached the point where you have worked out that you want a better rock tone....then you have reached the point where you need a better rock amp. Once you do that, then tweaking its soud to taste with a speaker swap is worth it.
 
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gibson175 said:
yes i know im gonna sound like a killjoy....but you dont need a new speaker for a great classic rock tone...you need a tube amp.
DOnt waste your money on a speaker like that for the amp you have..modellers are designed to work best with hifi sounding speakers and they get their charachter from the digital algorithms within the amp. Thats how they are so flexible. if you use a coloured speaker like either of the two you mentioned then you will lose a lot of what makes modelling amps useful.
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+1
I couldn't agree more, and I don't understand why most people don't seem to get that.
 
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gibson175 said:
yes i know im gonna sound like a killjoy....but you dont need a new speaker for a great classic rock tone...you need a tube amp.
Dont waste your money on a speaker like that for the amp you have..modellers are designed to work best with hifi sounding speakers and they get their charachter from the digital algorithms within the amp. Thats how they are so flexible. if you use a coloured speaker like either of the two you mentioned then you will lose a lot of what makes modelling amps useful.
If you have reached the point where you have worked out that you want a better rock tone....then you have reached the point where you need a better rock amp. Once you do that, then tweaking its soud to taste with a speaker swap is worth it.
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marvar said:
+1
I couldn't agree more, and I don't understand why most people don't seem to get that.
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+2 . . . very well said !
 
Re: Celestion vintage 30 or greenback

gibson175 said:
yes i know im gonna sound like a killjoy....but you dont need a new speaker for a great classic rock tone...you need a tube amp.
Dont waste your money on a speaker like that for the amp you have..modellers are designed to work best with hifi sounding speakers and they get their charachter from the digital algorithms within the amp. Thats how they are so flexible. If you use a coloured speaker like either of the two you mentioned then you will lose a lot of what makes modelling amps useful.
If you have reached the point where you have worked out that you want a better rock tone....then you have reached the point where you need a better rock amp. Once you do that, then tweaking its soud to taste with a speaker swap is worth it.
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+3
 
Re: Celestion vintage 30 or greenback

I wouldn't spend more money for a speaker than the amp is worth, but if you do then a Classic Lead 80 may be a better choice. You have a modeling amp, you want your speakers to be "neutral" to better reproduce the modeled amp tone.

Look into what Line 6 uses in their Vetta cabs, get one of them.
 
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