!!!Charvel EVH Artist Series!!!

[JacksonMIA]

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tone?, was that from the interview in Guitar World? If you'll notice, he contradicts himself in the same interview. At first he says that he used the black and white guitar from the cover of the first album on all of his albums up to 1984. Then, not two questions later, he says that he used the Destroyer on all his albums. The truth is, Edward lies to keep people from copying his tone.

I don't know how you got into this, unless you mean by hype that he didn't use the striped guitar much. If that's the case, let me tell you he used striped guitars A LOT on tour, though there were many variations of it (those three color schemes, different necks, different brands). He may or may not have used it any in the studio, but he used it a lot, and he's most remembered for playing those guitars.

And yes, the V, allegedly, was made of Korina.

 

[Johtosotku]

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I don't really understand what's wrong with bolt-on necks? Could you please explain to me? And what I've heard from luthiers, a set neck isn't any more expensive to do than a bolt on.

The question with this guitar isn't about the cost of the materials, it's the cost of the labour. You guys really think that you can get a better guitar from warmoth than Charvel? I really doubt it. A made in USA guitar is going to cost a lot, no matter the make or model. Do you really think that those parts of a les paul cost that much? For it to be able to cost their prices?

 

[WhoFan]

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I can't help but think building a Warmoth strat over the Charvel EVH strat is better in the long run... You'll save a lot of cash!!! Those Charvels are extremely expensive and to me are over priced..... I would want one in a second but that price is way too high. I myself like the Black and White ones... I have a custom made strat that is a Basswood body painted white, a maple neck, and a single humbucker on a balck pickguard..... I used a non-locking trem as i was going for the early VH1 vibe.....

Eddie for years has said his Original guitar was ASH so i think my next EVH inspired Strat will be a Warmoth

1-Ash body Painted White, Black pickguard, single PAF style PU
2-Floyd Rose Original
3-all Maple neck with Wolfgang contour profile

Ed used a lot of guitars and amps in the studio...... That Ibanez Destroyer did see a lot of action. I hear it is the guitar on Running With The Devil and that is my favourite tone he has ever had.....

WhoFan

 

[Vasshu the humanoid typhoon]

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Why not forgo all this and just buy old Kramers??

 

[Johtosotku]

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Why not forgo all this and just buy old Kramers??

Sh!Sh! We can't have everybody doing that!

 

[TheArchitect]

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The question with this guitar isn't about the cost of the materials, it's the cost of the labour. You guys really think that you can get a better guitar from warmoth than Charvel? I really doubt it.

You sure can. My proof that it can be done is sitting in its case right now.

 

[Davey]

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as much asi dont like the pricing of the EVH series, i dont like the general *bolt ons are not worth that much* agenda.. you cant get a neck through sound like a bolt on or a set neck for that matter. there's a reason he uses them and that reason is tone.
a bolt on will have more twang and sound sharper than a set neck.

and yes, you pay for the labor and worksmanship (how much are they going for now? 2.5k? that is not so bad if you consider they're hand stripped by ed.. and in the long term you'll have high collectability value)

 

[TheArchitect]

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and yes, you pay for the labor and worksmanship (how much are they going for now? 2.5k? that is not so bad if you consider they're hand stripped by ed.. and in the long term you'll have high collectability value)

The production models selling for $2500 are NOT stripped by Ed. Only the very limited run sold on ebay were. The production models are made in the factory like everything else.

 

[WhoFan]

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Why not forgo all this and just buy old Kramers??

You know my first guitar in the 80's was a cheap Kramer.... It was a Striker series and was plywood.... I know the American Kramers were much better and were made and sold by the 1000's yet i never see any for sale. I travel from guitar store to guitar store looking for used guitars and in the past 10 years i have only seen 3 Kramers... A red Baretta USA for $350, a late 80's USA Kramer strat with H/S/S and a real Floyd for $500, and a god awful Striker plywood crappy thing for $150.... Many people believe that Kramers are crap and if they sold a million of these dam things how come i never see them up for sale.... Most be because they are good guitars i figure. Besides the 80's Striker series i think the Focus and the uSA Kramers are not bad guitars. Wish i could find some for cheap. I kicked myself i never bought the red Baretta....

WhoFan

 

[FretFire]

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I don't really understand what's wrong with bolt-on necks?

There's nothing wrong with bolt-ons. In fact, when compared to a glued-in neck, a proper bolt joint will likely have no discernable loss of sustain, etc. I prefer bolt necks personally, you don't have to scrap the whole guitar if something happens to it. Body irreparably damaged? Slap the neck on a new one. Neck f.u.b.a.r.? Yank it off and stick a new one on there.

 

[TwilightOdyssey]

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I think these guitars are very nice, actually; but for that $$, you could get a Wayne Rock Legend ...

 

[Zerberus]

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Exactly what is it about that guitar that justifies that price in your mind? Its a strat with a floyd. They should be selling for about a grand, not 2k+....

Did I say that I personally felt that the price was justified?? I think not, you´re putting words into my mouth, bro. I specifically said, without passing judgement, "...whether those additions are worth that much to someone is a different question entirely." . Just to clear that up

But if you can find a handmade USA Strat with Original floyd and Duncans, brand new, for 1k or less, please tell me where, I´ll buy dozens and make a killing selling them for more :laugh2:

These aren't hand made instruments like and Anderson, Baker or Suhr. They are made on a line just like a strat is

I´m sorry, but you have very obviously never seen the Jackson/ Charvel USA Plant from the inside, nor even looked at pictures...I on the other hand have seen the plant from the inside...the USA Selects, USA Charvels and EVH Art Series are made in the same CUstom shop that makes all the USA Guitars, BY HAND, in batches of 12. Custom shop orders are scattered between the batches, but the process, techniques and people are exactly the same, whether it´s a 5k CS piece with all sorts of crazy **** or a 1.5k USA Select.....the only difference is that when you start building a USA Select you get to do another 11 when you´re done

Please take a look at the following sites, and then we can talk about handmade or not...I´ll just say there´s an obvious reason that no 2 USA Jacksons have exactly the same neck profile, and why even a USA Select can take almost as long as a Custom SHop piece....

http://www.jacksonmuseum.com/archives/generalhistory/old-pics.html
http://www.jacksoncharvelworld.net/tour.html

While they may now be owned by FMIC, that doesn´t make a **** of difference, they´re still built by the same people, using the same machines, as they were 3 years ago....Au contraire, FMIC brought back J/C Guru Mike Shannon, who was "let go" ba AMIC because "they couldn´t afford him"

And this is where the Warmoth comparison falters: SUre, i can make something that LOOKS the same, and on PAPER is the same....but it was still carved by CNC machines to a good extent, and not handmade....and I´m willing to bet a hefty sum that Warmoth isn´t as selective of woods as J/C are

No insult to Warmoth intended, I love their stuff, but this is like comparing an ESP KH-2 to an LTD KH-202: On paper they´re the exact same guitar....Now go out and play one, and try to tell someone the ESP isnt better made, WITHOUT lying to yourself or him....

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NO BOLT ON is worth near that much, i think.....

Just because it´s bolt on it´s less work to shape the neck, carve the body, finish the whole guitar, and generally build it?? Do you REALLY, and honestly, think that the neck joint is the ONLY piece of work in building a guitar, and all the routs and sanding are done by some fairy, just because it´s a bolt-on??? ROFL :smack:

I´m sorry, but the load of misconceptions and people spewing false facts about luthierie in general is really starting to overload this thread, and it´s giving me a headache....

BTW, Davey: the Architect is right, the production models are not hand striped by EVH

 

[Davey]

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The production models selling for $2500 are NOT stripped by Ed. Only the very limited run sold on ebay were. The production models are made in the factory like everything else.

ah, ok.. then that's a rather expencive MIA strat :smack:

 

[Davey]

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http://www.jacksonmuseum.com/archives/generalhistory/old-pics.html
http://www.jacksoncharvelworld.net/tour.html

woo woo woo :32:thanks .. always wanted to see that from the inside. GAS is building up for another charvel

BTW, Davey: the Architect is right, the production models are not hand striped by EVH

yea, i didnt know that, my bad


BUT LOL!!!!!! a fairy! BWAHAHAHAHA :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[rspst14]

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I've never understood why bolt-ons get such a bad rap. My guess is that a lot of people start out learning on cheap guitars, which usually have bolt-on necks. The guitar doesn't sound or play very nicely, so they assume it's because of the bolt-on neck, when in fact it's actually a myriad of other factors. Properly constructed bolt-on necks will sustain every bit as well as a typical set neck. There are designs that I feel are slightly better, such as deep set neck tenon's and "bolt-in designs," which have more contact area between the neck and the body than a regular bolt-on design. But for the most part, I think the main differences are in the sound and the feel. Bolt-ons have a bit more brightness and snap, set necks have a warmer, looser tone.

Some bolt-ons have clunky neck heels, but then again so do some set neck guitars. Warmoth's contoured Strat heel is a nice alternative to a traditional strat heel, and the Wolfgang has a nicely contoured heel with an oval shape instead of a square shape. As for set necks, I like Hamer's design much better than Gibson's or PRS's, Hamer set neck guitars have pretty much no neck heel at all.

Ryan

 

[Usurper666]

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Why not forgo all this and just buy old Kramers??

Well then THIS is THE "old Kramer" to get..

http://www.guitarville.com/proddetail.asp?invnum=EVH

I've seen it in person (I live near the store) and it's in great shape. It belongs to Randy Bachman's son (BTO) and he's selling it through a local shop. I have no idea how much they want for it but it will probably get more than a new Charvel as this one was actually one of Eddie's back up guitars.

Cheers,

CJ

 

[JacksonMIA]

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While they may now be owned by FMIC, that doesn´t make a **** of difference, they´re still built by the same people, using the same machines, as they were 3 years ago....Au contraire, FMIC brought back J/C Guru Mike Shannon, who was "let go" ba AMIC because "they couldn´t afford him"

And this is where the Warmoth comparison falters: SUre, i can make something that LOOKS the same, and on PAPER is the same....but it was still carved by CNC machines to a good extent, and not handmade....and I´m willing to bet a hefty sum that Warmoth isn´t as selective of woods as J/C are

You know, if you combine that with the prices I figured earlier, that makes these sound like they aren't a bad deal at all.

As far as bolt on necks, the only think I can see wrong is the heel. A lot of people don't like them. If they're set up well, they aren't as big a problem.

Btw, thanks for the links, Zerb.

 

[MattPete]

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You know my first guitar in the 80's was a cheap Kramer.... It was a Striker series and was plywood.... I know the American Kramers were much better and were made and sold by the 1000's yet i never see any for sale. I travel from guitar store to guitar store looking for used guitars and in the past 10 years i have only seen 3 Kramers... A red Baretta USA for $350, a late 80's USA Kramer strat with H/S/S and a real Floyd for $500, and a god awful Striker plywood crappy thing for $150.... Many people believe that Kramers are crap and if they sold a million of these dam things how come i never see them up for sale.... Most be because they are good guitars i figure. Besides the 80's Striker series i think the Focus and the uSA Kramers are not bad guitars. Wish i could find some for cheap. I kicked myself i never bought the red Baretta....

WhoFan

Yep, I have a USA Kramer Pacer (was HSS, now HSH) I bought with lawn mowing money in the 1980s ($800 ordered from Sam Ash, IIRC). Great guitar. Alder body, real Floyd Rose, came stock with a JB bridge and SSL1 neck and middle.

My local guitar store also had Focus and Striker series guitars. The Focus were mid-range guitars and seemed OK (I thought they were better than the comparable Ibanez Roadstar), but there was quite a noticable difference between the Foci and the USA Kramers.

The Strikers, on the other hand, were junk.

 

[TheArchitect]

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Did I say that I personally felt that the price was justified?? I think not, you´re putting words into my mouth, bro. I specifically said, without passing judgement, "...whether those additions are worth that much to someone is a different question entirely." . Just to clear that up

Your defense of this price point infers pretty strongly that you do agree with it. That said, I didn't put words in your mouth. I asked where you saw the value because frankly I don't.

 

[RGN]

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I don't think value really enters the picture with these guitars. People buy them because they have always wanted one and they pull out their credit cards and do it. I have seen a couple of them in person. I saw the the black/white and yellow/black. I didn't think they were worth doing back flips over but they were cool. They sell quick so obviously the market will bare the asking price. Is a $4100 Diezel VH4 worth $2000 more than a VHT100CL or a Bogner Uberschall?? I don't see how but it is pretty hard to find a Diezel. People will pay these prices.